Yamamaya wrote:As far as I know the law will only be applied if someone complains about a particular animu/manga where the law may or may not be applied to that particular animu/manga.
Won't they? Isn't the 18+ otaku market large enough (relatively speaking) to support de sexy shows?Nate (post: 1444218) wrote:Q: So just slap an 18+ sticker and life goes on as usual, no big deal, right?
A: No. If they can't sell it to minors they won't bother making it in the first place.
TheSubtleDoctor (post: 1444241) wrote:Won't they? Isn't the 18+ otaku market large enough (relatively speaking) to support de sexy shows?
blkmage wrote:Also notice the specific exclusion of books and live-action material. Why is that?
blkmage (post: 1444253) wrote:There's a common misconception that these are the only casualties. In fact, it's arguable that the works you think are affected are even affected at all. Read Nate's post again, it isn't just sexual content, it's anything that could be deemed to have a negative effect on the development of minors, which is defined extremely vaguely. So this could include things like Utena or Evangelion or Berserk a lot of Asano Inio's manga. I mean, yeah, you wouldn't let a child read or watch some of that stuff, but it's not 18+ material. Heck, even Kare Kano could fall into the definition.
Also notice the specific exclusion of books and live-action material. Why is that?
Berserk is absolutely 18+ material.blkmage (post: 1444253) wrote:Berserk
Fish and Chips (post: 1444258) wrote:Berserk is absolutely 18+ material.
However, I'm pretty sure it's already marked and marketed as such, so I don't know the extent to which this bill will affect it.
Fish and Chips (post: 1444258) wrote:Berserk is absolutely 18+ material.
However, I'm pretty sure it's already marked and marketed as such, so I don't know the extent to which this bill will affect it.
Thanks. Just looking for some information. But yeah, Berserk, Eva and Persona 3 are all 17/18+ works IMO (Berserk and P3 are in actual fact), and Solanin is cutting it pretty close.blkmage (post: 1444253) wrote:There's a common misconception that these are the only casualties. In fact, it's arguable that the works you think are affected are even affected at all. Read Nate's post again, it isn't just sexual content, it's anything that could be deemed to have a negative effect on the development of minors, which is defined extremely vaguely. So this could include things like Utena or Evangelion or Berserk a lot of Asano Inio's manga. I mean, yeah, you wouldn't let a child read or watch some of that stuff, but it's not 18+ material. Heck, even Kare Kano could fall into the definition. Or Persona 3, how they summon their personas. And so on and so forth.
Not long ago, there was a similar situation w/ American cinema, though, right? No PG-13 rating, it was either G,PG or R.Nate (post: 1444250) wrote:Nette explained it pretty well, although it's more equivalent to there being only G or NC-17 (since children can attend R rated movies if there's someone over 17 with them, no child can get into an NC-17 movie).
Imagine that The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe was rated NC-17 in the US because it doesn't fit the qualifications for a G rating. Imagine how many of you would be prevented from seeing it in theaters because it's NC-17 (because there's only two ratings now, G and NC-17).
I've read every currently published volume of Berserk.blkmage (post: 1444262) wrote:Is it? It's serialized in Young Animal, which I know looks pretty sketchy, but Umino Chika's current series, 3-Gatsu no Lion is also serialized in it, and that's definitely not 18+ material.
mechana2015 (post: 1444266) wrote:I would think that young animal as a whole is marked as 18+ (I ran across a few series from it a while back that were...not CAA safe to say the least).
TheSubtleDoctor (post: 1444270) wrote:
Won't the anime creators just make their shows All Ages rating friendly so that they can be bought by otaku but they don't have to depend on them (a la, the way things used to be)?
Yeah, that is a bit of a failed experiment.mechana2015 (post: 1444273) wrote:I'm not sure what you mean by this, but what it sounds like is you're suggesting that all the shows and comics try to adjust to fit within the standards. We already know what happens when this sort of standard is enforced, and it's called 4Kids. It's not a good thing.
TheSubtleDoctor wrote:Not long ago, there was a similar situation w/ American cinema, though, right? No PG-13 rating, it was either G,PG or R.
Won't the anime creators just make their shows All Ages rating friendly so that they can be bought by otaku but they don't have to depend on them (a la, the way things used to be)?
Fish and Chips (post: 1444271) wrote:I've read every currently published volume of Berserk.
You can take my word on this, or I could post some examples of the type of stuff that goes down in Miura's writing. Your choice.
blkmage (post: 1444277) wrote:I know what Berserk is like and I know that it's not kids stuff or anything, but I still wonder if it's legally 18+ or not. There's a surprising amount of stuff that isn't, and again, it doesn't make sense to me that there'd be 18+ and non-18+ series running in the same publication.
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