Kingdom Hearts 2

[Cuddles da Bear]

Hello, sorry I couldn't read through all the posts about this game but I really want to know- (WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD)
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I beat the game at level 50-something within 40-something hours (mind you I am not gloating or anything, actually it's not at all like me to beat a game until I get to level 99, but I digress) I beat the game and at the end Kairi brings you 'something' from 'you-know-who' but the scene ends without any exposition as to what the 'thing' contains. Can anyone PM me and let me know if I have to complete the game at 100% to get an additional ending or is this how Kingdom Hearts 2 really ends?

[Nightshade X]

I beat it yesterday!! Yay, me!!

...now to do everything else.

[~BlueRose~]

Somone raise their hand on this thread to make sure that someone's told Cuddles what happens after the game. Otherwise she'll get a PM from all of us!! XD

[KBMaster]

Go, Nightshade X!
I PMed Cuddles. I didn't tell her what happens after the game, just how to get it. To describe it is... impossible.

[uc pseudonym]

You'll all have to forgive me, because I don't have the time to read all 300+ posts in this thread. I've read the recent discussion, but forgive me if I repeat things that have already been said.

I rented this game not long ago and I've now beaten it. I still have some stuff left to do (finish the Paradox Cups, level up Final form, beat Sephiroth). There's no way I'm going to try to complete Jiminy's Journal, though, because I dislike most of the mini-games.

Overall, I didn't find this game difficult and I'm not sure why. The only time I got a Game Over was during the final battle when you're Riku (I really don't like his abilities, or that arena). Actually, I didn't like that entire battle. It wasn't difficult, just tedious. Hopefully Sephiroth will be more enjoyable.

Since this is becoming a game help thread, I do have one issue. I don't have Goofy's "Save the King" weapon yet, because I don't have enough Twilight Synthesis Materials. They're dropped by Dusks and some other basic Nobodies, but very few of those in The World That Never Was. Does anyone know where I can get more of these? I got some in Twilight Town, but it no longer has enemies (unless they are in the Mansion area).

Also, someone referenced a secret ending. Where is it and what are the requirements?

[Nate]

Twilight Shards are dropped by Dusks and Gamblers. They're easy enough to find.

Twilight Stones are dropped by Dancers. There's a couple near the end of World That Never Was, but there's a whole lot more in the basement of the mansion in Twilight Town.

Twilight Gems are going to be a severe headache. They're only dropped by Assassins. There's only one place where Assassins appear, and that's the Hall of Empty Melodies (upper floor). To get there, go to Proof of Existance and head down. There will be four Assassins, once you kill them, you'll have to leave the level entirely and enter again. It's a huge pain.

Finally, Twilight Crystals are dropped by Sorcerors, and while Sorcerors are kinda rare, it's not a big deal.

To get the secret ending, do one of the following:

1) Beat the game on Normal Mode with 100% completion of Jiminy's Journal.

2) Beat the game on Proud Mode

3) Go to Youtube and search for "Kingdom Hearts II secret ending"

[uc pseudonym]

I tried to post this earlier, and though it doesn't quite apply now, I'm just going to post it again:

Twilight Gems are going to be a severe headache. They're only dropped by Assassins. There's only one place where Assassins appear, and that's the Hall of Empty Melodies (upper floor). To get there, go to Proof of Existance and head down. There will be four Assassins, once you kill them, you'll have to leave the level entirely and enter again. It's a huge pain.

Finally, Twilight Crystals are dropped by Sorcerors, and while Sorcerors are kinda rare, it's not a big deal.

Thanks. I had tons of Shards and enough Stones after exploring the Mansion, so the others were going to be the problem. There are quite a few Sorcerors (relatively) after the dark city, so I'll fight them until they give me Twilight Crystals. But those Gems are indeed going to be a pain.

To get the secret ending, do one of the following:

1) Beat the game on Normal Mode with 100% completion of Jiminy's Journal.

2) Beat the game on Proud Mode

3) Go to Youtube and search for "Kingdom Hearts II secret ending"

...option three it is. The ending struck me as significant enough to make it appear that they have things all planned but vague enough that they aren't tied to anything. I support the theory that it is something that happened in the past (bolstered by the fact that Nomamura says the next game will be unlike the previous ones). I do wonder about the person coming from the fourth direction...

Also, I'm intrigued that in one interview Nomamura says he hasn't introduced the most powerful character yet. That interview was before KHII, but I don't think it was anyone in that game (unless it was Yen Sid... did anyone else think the way he disappeared seemed odd?). Who could it be, I wonder?

Random note: Nate, are you still trying to get 5000 points in the Paradox Cup? Extra-scoring modes are earned by getting lengthy combos. I've heard (but haven't confirmed) that Stitch is the best way to do this.

Update: Got the Save the King+, did everything else, pretty much done.

[KBMaster]

Beating the cricket's journal is time-consuming. But the satisfaction after doing it is well worth it.
Stitch is virtually the only way to get the required amount of points in the cups. Gotta love the little blue fuzzball.

[Nate]

Nah, I got 100% on the Journal, so I'm good to go. And actually, I don't bother with Stitch. I use Peter Pan's Limit attack, it drags them around the arena and causes them to drop orbs the whole time. That worked pretty well for me.

[Rocketshipper]

I'l be beating the game in a few days...hopefully (just need to get 15,000 in the Hades cup and I'll have 100% in the journal) and then I'll read through all the comments.

however, my reason for visiting today is to link this article.

http://www.pluggedinonline.com/thisweekonly/a0002713.cfm

focus on the family reviwered KH 2. It seems to me that they didn't get it, but then they didn't play KH 1 or chain of memories, so it could be understandable. But what's with "dark Far-Eastern philosophy"?? Doesn't seem like Heartless/Nobodies are really based on any particular philosophies to me. And they assume that just because it involves Disney that it;s aimed only at kids -_-.

[Tommy]

The review was sorta......eh. I would like Plugged In to back up what they say, but they never do.

[Nate]

What's interesting is they refer to Heartless as "lost souls," which is complete baloney. The Heartless are lost hearts, not souls. In fact, in one of the Ansem Reports in KH2, Ansem goes over the three parts of a creature: the heart, the body, and the soul, and states if the soul is removed that death occurs. The Heartless are not lost souls, but lost hearts. They messed that one up.

[uc pseudonym]

I think they meant "lost souls" in a general sense, using "soul" to refer to the individual, not the specific part of the being. The article wasn't getting into detail, of course, simply trying to give the basics for concerned parents. And considering that the author felt swamped by the details in the game, I wasn't expecting much.

That's as far as I'll go defending the article, however. I read their reviews due to general interest, then put them aside. In the long run, it really doesn't matter what they do or do not disapprove of.

Regarding the Hades Paradox Cup, I am curious what round everyone thought was most difficult. Round 49 is a contender, certainly. But actually, I had more difficulty with Round 43, because for some reason they were shutting down my attacks and hitting me constantly. Anyone else have the same experience?

[KBMaster]

43...? Would that be the one with the four FF people? That one was insanely hard. Sora was just gliding around, trying not to get hit by Cloud while HE's flying too. And Tifa kept chasing me! It was easy after I got rid of Tifa and Cloud though. I wasn't even aware Squall was down when he went down. Yuffie wouldn't go down though.

[uc pseudonym]

I guess I should have been clearer; I doubt I would have remembered which round was which if I hadn't intended to make this post. Regardless, Round 49 is the one with Cloud, Leon, Yuffie, and Tifa. Round 43 is three of those dinosaur-like Heartless from the Pride Lands.

For me, Round 49 was just a matter of being careful and chipping away at their health (I didn't manage to focus on any one of them, so they all went down in quick succession after a while of dealing with all four). For me, the order was: Tifa, Leon, Cloud, Yuffie.

I found that Tifa would cause me serious problems if I wasn't careful, though I'm not sure why. However, she's very slow, and if you take her on directly you will always win. Leon was obnoxious because he can firing those homing fireballs, which would slow me down enough that Cloud would hit me. Yuffie basically didn't matter, but the fact that she teleports around made her survive until the end.

[Nate]

YES. The round with the three dinosaur things was absolute murder. I don't know why it was so tough, I guess because they kept blocking my attacks and doing an insane amount of damage in return. Also, you can't use summons or drives in that battle, and Sora is alone, so I think that played a big part too.

I had a lot of trouble with Pete, not that I was in danger of dying, but because of the point counter. I only had 14 points left when I beat him.

I also found out something nasty. Pretty much every boss character has the "Second Chance" ability which keeps them alive, even after a combo. I had Berserk equipped on Sora, which enables an unlimited string of attacks while in MP recovery mode.

This ability works well, when taking down a boss to low HP. That's one of the reasons I like it. The problem is that when a boss is down to 1 HP, you cannot defeat them as long as you are in Berserk mode, since finishing off a boss requires you to hit them with a combo finishing move. I found that out the hard way as I continually attacked Leon and kept yelling "WHY WON'T YOU DIE?" at the screen.

[Rocketshipper]

yeah, round 43 was definitly a pain in the butt. Those dumb dinosaurs!! I was trying to save MP for trinity limit but they kept forcing me to heal. I eventually had to dip into my small set of items to get my MP up.

Round 49 actully wasn't hard for me at all. I was really worried about it, but all my time spent leveling up payed off (I was level 99). I just spammed trinity limit and glided around while my MP recharged, the limit would usually hit all four of them because they liked to group together. the order that I killed them in was Squall, Yuffie, Cloud, and Tifa. Tifa really annoyed me; I got her down to 1 HP with Trinity limit but she kept blocking the finishing hit, eventually I got tired of fighting with the keyblade and just hit her with thundaga.

I really grew to love Goofy's Wirli-goofy limit break during the pain and paic cup set of battles. That thing does INSANE amounts of damage!! It was taking off like 3 of Hades' health bars everytime I used it. It killed Tifa and Yuffie (round 10) in like five seconds.

[uc pseudonym]

YES. The round with the three dinosaur things was absolute murder. I don't know why it was so tough, I guess because they kept blocking my attacks and doing an insane amount of damage in return. Also, you can't use summons or drives in that battle, and Sora is alone, so I think that played a big part too.

That's true. Partners could have distracted them (thus setting them up for a combo) and if I'd had Final form I could have been doing combos often enough to avoid getting hit. I tended not to use drives or summons during the game (I generally don't) but I did enjoy Final because the number of attacks you do is insane. Needless to say, I blew through the 10 rounds in which your Drive meter refills swiftly...

Right now I'm just glad to hear I'm not the only one who found them so difficult.

I had a lot of trouble with Pete, not that I was in danger of dying, but because of the point counter. I only had 14 points left when I beat him.

Hm, that's interesting. I found that if you waited until he finishes saying "Pete's invincible!" and then attack him, you can repeat this indefinitely. That battle was actually monotonous for me, though his line got a bit funnier every time.

Of course, I use exactly the opposite style of fighting that you do (I should have tried Berserk, just to see how it worked). I got lengthier and lengthier combos until I got Combo Negative, after which I unequipped all of them, based on the idea that the finishing blows do the most damage. With the Fenrir, that means I have instant combos. The nice part about this is being able to do the charging thrust attack immediately - it absolutely slaughters Tifa. Regardless, I like the Abilities in this game better]I also found out something nasty. Pretty much every boss character has the "Second Chance" ability which keeps them alive, even after a combo.[/quote]
Is that what is is? I noticed after a while that the bosses wouldn't die at the end. For me, it seemed I could only take out the last HP with a combo, which was really annoying for earlier bosses that would interrupt my attacks.

[termyt]

The dinosaurs were terribly annoying, but I approached all of the difficult/annoying fights the same way - including the maddening round 49 fight against all of the FF characters in the Hades Paradox cup. Lock on to an opponent and run away while shooting Blizzaga behind you. Blizzaga also has a knock-back to it which helps keep the bad guys away from you. When I was almost out of MP or low on health, heal (even if my HP was still in good shape – a lot can happen in the time it takes to refill the MP), glide around the ring until the MP gauge refills.
[quote="uc pseudonym"]Regardless, I like the Abilities in this game better]
I like this game's abilities better than the first. They made the mini-games much less time consuming, but I still think I prefer the turn-based RPG's. I like to control all of the party members. Donald and Goofy were every bit as worthless in this game as they were in the first one. Most of the enemies never even bothered with them and came straight for me anyways.

[Tsukuyomi]

Heyas, I needs help. I beat the game, but am going back to finish the minigames and missions. I have three more headings at Olympus to finish, but I have no clue what to do or where to go for them. Can someone help... please?

Just in case I don't make it back to this thread. Feel free to PM me okies

[KBMaster]

Wow, I forgot the dinasours.. *shudders* I must've mentally blocked it because it was such a traumatic experience. I nearly died quite a few times. And those weren't the only dinasours that nearly killed me. ALL the dinasours were hard.
Tifa kept sucker-punching me. That and she was able to defend herself when she shouldn't have been able to.

[Tsukuyomi]

What? Dinos and Tifa?

Eh... did I miss something?

[Rocketshipper]

Just finished beating the game today, secret ending and all. YAAAAY!

My favorite parts of the game were the beginning (everything up until Mulan's world) and the last world. I loved how the Roxas section of the game unfolded, I was on the edge of my seat the whole time, and "The World That Never Was" was jam-packed so full of plot twists, awesome cutscenes, and great boss fights that my head was spinning. The rest of the game though...well, playing KH2 was like watching the johto league in the Pokemon anime, some great battles and plot elements mixed in with a ton of filler. In the first game almost all of the levels (except Atlantica and Halloween Town) advanced the main plot in some way, but this time it felt like most of the worlds were there just to stretch the gameplay out, especially when they forced you to revist them all again. With Sora not even locking any of the worlds, it felt as if not much was accomplished. Only a few of the worlds (like Tron and Timeless River) really seemed signifigant to the plot, IMO. I did really like Pete's role in the game though. He's great! I really hope he's in the next game too. He doesn't seem like a "real" bad guy to me, it would be cool if he had a change of heart later, or something ^^. I aso really liked the ending, and I think I may like "Passion/Sanctuary" more than "Hikari/Simple and Clean" now.

As far as the gameplay goes, I thought the game was awesome!!! Sora and company were insanely powerful compared to the last game, and all the forms, summons, limit breaks, and reaction command attacks were really fun to watch and use. There were some reaction commands (such as the one used near the end of the final battle) that had my jaw on the floor. There were also a lot of boss battles that I felt were realy epic and fun, and some (like the grim reaper and the MCP) had some cool extra elements to them besides just beating up on the boss. My favorite boss fights were Grim Reaper, MCP, Earthshaker, that door from Beast's Castle, and all the Orginazation XIII battles. I also don't see why everyone dislikes this game's minigames so much, I thought most of them were awesome!!! I LOVED the first two Winnie the Pooh games, and the skateboard games were fun too. Getting the record in Poster Duty was also extremely satisfying ^^. Some of the Little Mermaid level was irritating (3 out of the 5 songs sucked! Sora's singing scared me!) but I admit I was a little relieved that I got to do something other than fight and the "part of your world" segment was cool (I love that song). The gummi ship missions were also way better than last time. However, there were a few things in the gameplay I wasn't impressed with. Magic wasn't as useful as it was in the first game, and the Sephiroth boss battle was dissapointing for me. In the last game Sephiroth had a larger variety of attacks, and it took more skill to beat him. This time all it took for me was a relativly high level, spamming trinity limit, and berserk charge. Completing the Journal was a little tedious, but in the end it didn't take as long as I thought it would, and the hardest part turned out to be getting the high score in paradox cerberus and Paradox Hades, almost everything else was easy. But I'm SOOOOO glad that the gummi ship stuff wasn't included in the journal, because then I never would have completed it.

There is only one thing in the whole story that I'm still confused about and it's this...

[spoiler] At the very beginning of the game, after the CGI intro, who are the two people in black talking on the beach?? The conversation then was "I've been to see him" and "He looks a lot like you". I can't figure out who they are and who they are talking about. Did this person go and see Sora, or Roxas? Is one of those people on the beach Riku?? Is it Roxas and Xemnas?? I can't figure it out! [/spoiler]

[SorasOathkeeper]

[spoiler] At the very beginning of the game, after the CGI intro, who are the two people in black talking on the beach?? The conversation then was "I've been to see him" and "He looks a lot like you". I can't figure out who they are and who they are talking about. Did this person go and see Sora, or Roxas? Is one of those people on the beach Riku?? Is it Roxas and Xemnas?? I can't figure it out! [/spoiler]

[spoiler]That was Roxas and Xemnas. That part happened right after you fight Xemnas in Kingdom Hearts: Final mix. (he's the guy in Hallow bastion.) He's saying Sora looks a lot like Roxas.[/spoiler]

[termyt]

Heyas, I needs help. I beat the game, but am going back to finish the minigames and missions. I have three more headings at Olympus to finish, but I have no clue what to do or where to go for them. Can someone help... please?

Just in case I don't make it back to this thread. Feel free to PM me okies

It sounds like you are missing the final three Paradox Cups. Especially since you have no idea what KBMaster is referring to.

To enter the Paradox Cups, you must go talk to Hades in his lair. It’s at the end of the “Valley of the Deadâ€

[Tsukuyomi]

Yes, it was... thank you so much Tyry. Aya, I don't even have Peter Pan. All I have is Chicken Little, Stitch, and Genie. Any help on where to get Peter?

[uc pseudonym]

Hm. That's difficult for me, because I never really used the summons (hence I didn't notice when I got them). I think I found it somewhere in the Ship Graveyard (which is in Port Royale).

Wow, I forgot the dinasours.. *shudders* I must've mentally blocked it because it was such a traumatic experience. I nearly died quite a few times. And those weren't the only dinasours that nearly killed me. ALL the dinasours were hard.

For me, whenever they were alone it was easy. After all, you can out-combo pretty much everyone in the game except Sephiroth. But when there were three one would always come and hit me from behind.

The rest of the game though...well, playing KH2 was like watching the johto league in the Pokemon anime, some great battles and plot elements mixed in with a ton of filler.

For the most part, I didn't like the other worlds as much either. Personally, I did like some of the revisiting parts, though it was perhaps too formulaic to have them all do that. As a whole they didn't feel as integrated into the main plot - most of the time you were just doing stuff for the purposes of trying to find the king, which is rather weak motivation. In the cases of both Atlantica and 100 Acre Woods, I just skipped all the sequences after a while. Somehow I doubted Organization XIII would show up and reveal important information.

My favorite part was probably the scenes in Hollow Bastion between the two major parts of the story. It had an anime-esque feel to it, with so much going on at once. But other than that, there were a lot of good elements: Sephiroth appears, the lines between Cloud and Leon, the 1000 Heartless battle (repetitive, yes, but there's something cool about taking down that many guys by yourself).

I did really like Pete's role in the game though. He's great! I really hope he's in the next game too.

They definitely set up a lot of things for the theoretical third game. Maleficint is back, and she's captured Yen Sid's tower (I really expected the game to do more with this, so I was somewhat disappointed). We have the addition of the Nobodies and a more extensive philosophy of the parts of a person. But the thing I really hope they develop is

[spoiler]the information about Xemnas in the early Ansem Reports. His abilities seem almost not human... sure, that could just be to make things dramatic and hype the final boss, but I'm hoping there's really something else to this. If he actually wasn't human, or was touched by something not human, that could lead to a great deal more. It seems to me that there should be something that caused the Heartless in the first place. If minor details like this were carefully planted, I'll be happy in future games.[/spoiler]

The gummi ship missions were also way better than last time.

That's definitely true. I never did them twice (as in the first game, when possible) but they weren't boring.

[Tommy]

They should have shown more with Pete and Maleficent. I don't get what happened.

[Tsukuyomi]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, Sephiroth is so.... so... strong! The only reason why I survived as long as I did was because of the Reaction Command (lol... sweat drop... gulp). Gattch Sephi-poo! Thanks yas. I don't rememeber where I got Chicken Little, but the others are pretty odvious.

[Tommy]

Trinity helps.