First Revolution screens revealed: Red Steel

[Bobtheduck]

My laptop basically overpowers game systems anyway

There are no laptops at 3.(6?7? even if it's 3.4) Ghz, and no consumer graphics cards at the level of the RSX... A laptop with a processor that fast would have horrible battery life, and the RSX will be the most powerfull graphics card when it is released, so though you may have more RAM but that's it... Since consoles are DEDICATED, the smaller amount of RAM isn't as much of a problem...

I don't know about the revo's graphics capabilities, but even the Revo and 360 will beat out current PC systems because they're dedicated.

[desperado]

Something I read of off penny arcade and I find it very true is that the first game that is shown for the revo is a bloody gangster game where your hand litterly controls the gun, to quote penny arcade "bad media coverage "to go"".

[TrigunX89]

Well, it should bring back some of GameCube's lost customers, who said the console was too much for little kids. Plus, I'm sure Nintendo will be showing off Mario or something at E3 next month.

[mastersquirrel]

If I made a wheel for your car out of cheese and said, here its a new idea, use this. You would not need to drive it, to say "Gee thats a pretty lame idea".

I'm sorry if I seem rude, but I just wanted to point out that that was a horrible comparison to the Revolution controller.

[Gypsy]

I thought it was a pretty accurate way to describe the new controller - but hey, the Revo controller may grow on me, whereas a cheese wheel for my car would just grow things.

[Joshua Christopher]

I thought it was a pretty accurate way to describe the new controller - but hey, the Revo controller may grow on me, whereas a cheese wheel for my car would just grow things.

...Delicious things.

Ahem.

As far as the controller goes, I went through an odd stage.

Stage 1: FEAR. I was worried Nintendo was going to create something *too* whacky.
STAGE 2: CONFUSED. What the heck is this remote...thing?
STAGE 3: ACCEPTANCE. Hey, this is kinda neat--
STAGE 4: REALIZATION. Wait, what? What the? Nintendo, you failed!

I think The House of Mario is being too ambitious when it comes to this. If Nintendo had done some crazy redesign back during their time at the top, it woulda probably stuck. Now they're in third place, behind Sony and Micro$oft, and they don't hold the same amount of respect and weight they seem to think they do. Look at the N64. Instead of going the way of CDs, they thought they'd "buck the current trends"(sound familiar?) and be different. Look were that got them. $80 cartridges that just weren't economical or practical. A total female dog to develop for.

Then the GameCube. Good console? Sure. The controller was comfortable, and the little bean-shaped buttons were so cute. But what's with the tiny-CDs? Nintendo definitely should have gone with the normal format, and an added DVD-palyer. Plus, the console totally ran out of steam. I mean, how many good games came out for the GC last year? One. At the beginning of the year. ONE. (RE4, by the way.)

And we're STILL waiting for Zelda.

I think it is Nintendo's constant need to try to go against the grain that is bringing their downfall. I hate to see it, too, because Nintendo makes some of the best games in the world. People, I play videogames for videogames. I'm not looking for some crazy console or controller innovation. I'm looking for fun new gameplay ideas and the like.

How long have we used a mouse for our PCs/Macs? Have they improved it? Totally! But aren't we happy with it the way it is? I really don't want Bill Gates to all of the sudden decide the mouse isn't good enough and we need some new thingy. I don't want my PC's pointer to be some sword-shaped motion-detector-device that I must swing to move, and slay the buttons with a mighty slash to click them.

Nintendo is awesome, but what's always hurt them is this desire to be radically different. There's nothing wrong with being different, but they aren't giving the consumers what they want. They want an excellent online system, they want DVD players, they want top-of-the-line graphics. You can still innovate plenty and provide people with what they want.

But the Revolution has done a lot of things right. The virtual console idea is pretty brilliant, and the design of the whole thing is really nifty looking. It looks like an Apple iTendo.

So in essence, I'm glad Nintendo is going for innovation, but they're ignoring the wants of the consumer, which has always proven in the past to be a bad idea. They're too stubborn.

[Mega.EXE]

who cares about a smaller disc who cares "oh no the disc is smaller now i dont want the system because the disc is small" really its a disc and so what about a dvd player you can get one built in to you tv you can have one in your car you can plug one into your tv seriously who cares but i can understand not liking the controller i like it but a controller matters just a little more than the size of a disc

[TurkishMonky]

There are no laptops at 3.(6?7? even if it's 3.4) Ghz, and no consumer graphics cards at the level of the RSX... A laptop with a processor that fast would have horrible battery life, and the RSX will be the most powerfull graphics card when it is released, so though you may have more RAM but that's it... Since consoles are DEDICATED, the smaller amount of RAM isn't as much of a problem...

I don't know about the revo's graphics capabilities, but even the Revo and 360 will beat out current PC systems because they're dedicated.

When I play "call of duty 2" on my laptop, i get it playing fine at 1680 x 1050 resolution, with as much if not more graphics detail then the xbox 360 version (where as a tv output would be much lower resolution) Furthrmore, when my friend runs it on his built-for-gaming computer (not laptop), the difference is insanely better. i dunno about power of my comp vs the systems, but all i know is that either the PC version is optimized much more, or there's somthing that is way different in how they run... BTW, as a comparison with PS3, since it's not out yet, and I havent played it:
PS3 is at 3.2 GHz, my laptop is 2.0 GHz
PS3 has 512 K L2 Cache, my laptop has 2 MB L2 cache
PS3 has 256 MB memory, my laptop has 1 GB memory (with 2.5 GB virtual)
PS3 has 256 MB GDDR3, my comp has 128 MB GDDR3
... I always play my game CDs from my hard drive, that might be a factor too...
besides that, i wouldn't quite say the RSX will be the Most powerful graphics card... i could probably find better for about $4000 - with quad-SLI 7900s at 6 teraflops of power (compared to RSX's 2), or that new ATI card (forgot waht it was called)....

anyway my main point was that since my laptop lets me play standard video games anyway, i wouldn't really have need or want to buy a system to do basically what my lappy does. instead, i would rather buy somthing different - such as the revo.

[Cognitive Gear]

[quoteJoshua Christopher]Nintendo definitely should have gone with the normal format, and an added DVD-palyer.[/QUOTE]

You know, I think that is also part of Nintendo's overall strategy as a company. As far as I can tell, they are trying to sell a pure gaming device. They are not trying to sell (like sony and microsoft) the ONLY electronice device you should have hooked up to your TV. By adding things to the console, that's exactly what they are trying to achieve: livingroom domination.

Not a bad thing, IMO. The fewer devices I have, the easier it is to manage. Plus because of xbox360 I don't have to build that media center PC I wanted. Microsoft built it for me.

[Joshua Christopher]

who cares about a smaller disc who cares "oh no the disc is smaller now i dont want the system because the disc is small" really its a disc and so what about a dvd player you can get one built in to you tv you can have one in your car you can plug one into your tv seriously who cares but i can understand not liking the controller i like it but a controller matters just a little more than the size of a disc

Okay, wow. I think I need new eyes now.

I was only using it as an example. Did you read my post? Please read it again anyway. And next time, please use some punctuation.

When did I ever say I didn't like the console because of the disc size? I love my GC. Well, I don't actually play it anymore, but I still like it. ANYWAY, the small discs were okay, but I think the DVD player was part of what made the PS2 so successful, along with its ability to play PSX games.

You know, I think that is also part of Nintendo's overall strategy as a company. As far as I can tell, they are trying to sell a pure gaming device. They are not trying to sell (like sony and microsoft) the ONLY electronice device you should have hooked up to your TV. By adding things to the console, that's exactly what they are trying to achieve: livingroom domination.

Right, but what does the consumer want? Should Nintendo keep doing what they want, or should they give the people who keep them in business what *they* want? It's a fine line, and seeing as they haven't been doing to hot lately, you gotta wonder how long they can keep this up.

[Cognitive Gear]

Right, but what does the consumer want? Should Nintendo keep doing what they want, or should they give the people who keep them in business what *they* want? It's a fine line, and seeing as they haven't been doing to hot lately, you gotta wonder how long they can keep this up.

Well, honestly I think most people have a DVD player, a CD player, a PC, an MP3 player, and a standard definition TV. Nintendo is giving some people what they want, which is a device for gaming. Alot of people don't want to buy a 4,000$ television just to enjoy every aspect of the console they purchased. (IE the blueray player, as HDTV's bought in the last six years are NOT capable of playing Blue ray movies.)

Along with the virtual console, I'd ssay that in fact, they are giving the consumer what they want. They just happen to be tacking on a new controller. Besides, you can still plug in a GCN controller, and there is supposed to be a "shell" that willl make the revmote handle more like a traditional controller.

*Edit for grammatical errors*

[Mega.EXE]

joshua i never aimed it at you

[Radical Dreamer]

Personally, I prefered the PS2's ability to double as a DVD player. Since my gaming systems are kept and played in my bedroom, it was nice to have a DVD player added to my electronics. While I respect Nintendo's wish to remain a "pure gaming company," I also think that the convenience of the extra electronic devices added in is a plus, and Nintendo seems to be missing that point. Also, the absence of backwards compatibility was a BIG mistake. If I can buy a PS2 and still play all of my games for the PSX, and still buy more PS2 games (and even watch dvd's at the same time!)...Yep, I'm definitely going to have to side with Sony (or Microsoft, though their games aren't really to my tastes).

Anyways, I think I'm probably just echoing whatever else has been said in this thread, but that's my two cents on the subject. Now, if we can just keep this as civil as possible....

[Rogie]

Really, where the controller should rise or fall is if Nintendo can successfully translate the controller to the new Mario game. Mario's always been at the forefront of Nintendo's controller revolutions, so I say that Mario will be the endall deciding factor here.

I'm still wondering how a Mario game can be based around that controller, but if Nintendo pulls it off, then everyone will be impressed.

I'm rooting for Mario.

[Myoti]

I'm sorry if I seem rude, but I just wanted to point out that that was a horrible comparison to the Revolution controller.

Thank you for saving me the trouble.

Nintendo is awesome, but what's always hurt them is this desire to be radically different. There's nothing wrong with being different, but they aren't giving the consumers what they want. They want an excellent online system, they want DVD players, they want top-of-the-line graphics. You can still innovate plenty and provide people with what they want.

I think what ikimasu said pretty much covers it:

Well, honestly I think most people have a DVD player, a CD player, a PC, an MP3 player, and a standard definition TV. Nintendo is giving some people what they want, which is a device for gaming. Alot of people don't want to buy a 4,000$ television just to enjoy every aspect of the console they purchased. (IE the blueray player, as no HDTV's bought in the last six years are NOT capable of playing Blue ray movies.)

Along with the virtual console, I'd ssay that in fact, they are giving the consumer what they want. They just happen to be tacking on a new controller. Besides, you can still plug in a GCN controller, and there is supposed to be a "shell" that willl make the revmote handle more like a traditional controller.

Also, Nintendo IS putting in a DVD feature, but they're making it optional, which is a good idea. As ikimasu said, most people already have those things, so why should they force consumers to pay more just to have another one?

[Cognitive Gear]

As ikimasu said, most people already have those things, so why should they force consumers to pay more just to have another one?

Let it be noted that I am FOR extra items being included in consoles, it's just that I see Nintendo's logic. As I said before, the less devices I have to use, the better.

[desperado]

Rogie you may be onto something since gc has had a very tough time and all they had action mario wise is mario sunshine, same goes with zelda windwaker (every person I talk to irl does not like it because its style). Truly I await the new zelda and I will buy a gc for that and ninja taisen 4.

[Joshua Christopher]

Also, Nintendo IS putting in a DVD feature, but they're making it optional, which is a good idea. As ikimasu said, most people already have those things, so why should they force consumers to pay more just to have another one?

I was talking about the GC, not the Revolution.

And yes, I fully support paying a bit more for extra features. My PS2 is the only way for me to play my DVDs, aside from my computer.

My prediction is that the Revolution isn't going to be much of a Revolution. Yeah, it'll probably do fine, but it's not going to change the industry, and I am 100% positive of that.

[Nate]

You know, I hear so many people saying "Nintendo is right, consoles should be consoles and not DVD players."

Do you know how many people I've seen buy PS2s JUST because they can play DVDs too? That's why I bought one, folks. A gaming system that doubles as a DVD player. I don't feel like shelling out 250-300 bucks for a gaming system AND 250-300 bucks for a DVD player too. I can pay the one price and get BOTH.

That seems to be the thinking of the majority of people I've met too. So whine all you like, Sony knows what consumers want and deliver, which is more than I can say for Nintendo.

I personally thought the wheel of cheese for the car was a very apt analogy. How is it poor? It shows an idea that is radically different, that could be described as innovative, and yet most people would say "This is ridiculous." If anyone can tell me in logical terms other than "It's dumb" as to how this analogy isn't apt, I'd like to see it.

the less devices I have to use, the better.

Um, wouldn't this be an argument FOR including DVD capabilities in a console, not less? With the capability, you would only need one set of A/V jacks on your TV and one outlet, whereas with a separate console and DVD player you would need two A/V jacks on your TV (which most TVs do not have) and two outlets. It would also create more wires strewn about. It seems your argument would be against Nintendo then, not for it...which is why your statements confuse me.

[Cognitive Gear]

Um, wouldn't this be an argument FOR including DVD capabilities in a console, not less? With the capability, you would only need one set of A/V jacks on your TV and one outlet, whereas with a separate console and DVD player you would need two A/V jacks on your TV (which most TVs do not have) and two outlets. It would also create more wires strewn about. It seems your argument would be against Nintendo then, not for it...which is why your statements confuse me.

It is. Like I've said before, I'm FOR more functionality. The truth is, the buisness strategies of the gaming industry fascinate me, so I tend to anylyze every move the companies make until I think I have come to an understanding of thier mindset and strategy. The things I have stated so far are, as best as I can tell, the strategies and ideas behind Nintendo. I don't necessarily agree with it.

Although I find that I benefit from it with lower costs. I end up purchasing all consoles anyways, so doubling up on features doesn't help me at all.

[Stephen]

If you think my analogy of the cheese wheel is bad...you are a hopeless case. And I seriously pitty you. My last post here is simple, I hope you Nintendo fans enjoy your system. I plan on enjoying the PS3 when it comes out. I hope that someday, you come to the reality....that you can support somthing...and still question it. Blind loyality to anything is rarely a good thing.

[Peanut]

Now they're in third place, behind Sony and Micro$oft,and they don't hold the same amount of respect and weight they seem to think they do.

This is an incredibly naive statement. I know for a fact that Microsoft has not been doing that great oversees while Nintendo has been doing quite well and lets not forget that Nintendo is making a better profit then both Microsoft and Sony, so from a business's standpoint, they are winning. Also, while Nintendo doesn't hold the same weight and respect of their Glory days, they still hold a considerable amount of weight and respect. Look, if anyone can make this controller work, its Nintendo. Why? Because they have been known for making really good games for their own consoles. I doubt Nintendo would go out and do something like this if they didn't know for certain that they could make it work. I would take Rogie's advice and wait untill we know more about the next Mario game before you actually truly past judgement on this controller.

And we're STILL waiting for Zelda.

And? Why is this a problem? Would you rather have an unpolished, glitchy Zelda game or a as close to perfection as humanly possible Zelda game? Remember, patience is a virtue, and good things will come to those who wait, just look at what happened with Half-Life 2 fans.

[/QUOTE=Joshua Christoper]I think it is Nintendo's constant need to try to go against the grain that is bringing their downfall.[/QUOTE]

*Points to DS* I think this completely crushes this statement.

I'm not looking for some crazy console or controller innovation. I'm looking for fun new gameplay ideas and the like.

Funny, since this "crazy console" which you have already condemed to the "worst ideas in video game history bin" is gauranteed to bring new gameplay ideas onto home consoles. Whethere they will be fun our not, has yet to be seen.

They want an excellent online system, they want DVD players, they want top-of-the-line graphics. You can still innovate plenty and provide people with what they want.

Not every gamer is looking for these things Joshua Christopher. I myself am simply looking for a cheap next gen console with decent graphics and really good games. All three of these, I should be able to find with the Revolution.


Alright, now that I have gotten that out of my system, it is time that I move on to a different note. This thread has changed from a thread about the graphics on the Revolution to a full fledged debate about the Revolutions controller. I would just like to say one thing and then I shall be done. Everyone needs to realize that it is still way to early to tell whethere this system will be great or a complete flop. Once again, wait untill after E3, by then we should all know enough to actually be able to pass a semi-accurate judgement on whethere this controller will succed or not because by then we should have accounts of people who actually picked up the controller and played games such as SSB and Mario instead of a bunch of photos of the controller and screenshots of FPS. Untill then, I am done with this little debate.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

Ditto with Peanut Said. I HAVE my good graphics. I HAVE my online play. I Own a PC, and PC games take the cake with online gaming.

Do you know why Nintendo gets bashed a lot? Because a large population of gamers only want sex and bloody violence in their games. the never give games like Katamari Damacy, Animal Crossing, Naruto Gekitou Ninja Taisen, Tales of Symphonia, or Harvest Moon a try. A lot of people go "Wtcrap? You're rolling a dumb ball around! Your'e a stupid animal living in a town! This fighting game is CELL SHADED! Its so Kiddy! This RPG looks so lame! Ew Farming? Thats so lame!" Nobody wants to try new things. Like Mass Halo fans who don't even give other FPSes a shot. I know a lot of shallow people claiming Halo to be the best game in the world. It's quite sad really. Nintendo seems to be a reliable company that produces many excellent games. Many which I enjoy. Of course I also enjoy my PS2 and PC games.

I do see the new controller as an innovative idea. Plus there's the high chance of the gamecube controller being compatible with the Rev. So if that doesn't make you slightly happy, oh well. Maybe you're just being too shallow.

[Joshua Christopher]

Thank you for making it so easy.

This is an incredibly naive statement. I know for a fact that Microsoft has not been doing that great oversees while Nintendo has been doing quite well and lets not forget that Nintendo is making a better profit then both Microsoft and Sony, so from a business's standpoint, they are winning.

First of all, I'm talking about the US. Isn't that where we live? North America, whatever. Not Japan.

Nintendo does well because they make a darn-fine handheld. That's why they're doing fine right now.

And? Why is this a problem? Would you rather have an unpolished, glitchy Zelda game or a as close to perfection as humanly possible Zelda game? Remember, patience is a virtue, and good things will come to those who wait, just look at what happened with Half-Life 2 fans.

Um, I'm sorry, but if Nintendo wants to be successful, they can't release one good GC game a year. They need to develop faster, I'm sorry, but that's the case. My GC is collecting a lot of dust. Don't give me this "Oooh, they need more time to make it peerfect!" BS. It's delayed so they can add in some hokey Revolution function. Seems kinda goofy to me. I guess their launch titles must be not so hot (what non-DC system had a lot of good ones anyway?). If they were, they wouldn't be relying on a GC game to help sales.

*Points to DS* I think this completely crushes this statement.

No, it doesn't, unless of course you really enjoy being wrong (I think you do).
Nintendo *always* does a good job with their handhelds. Heck, they should just make handhelds and nothing else. Besides, the DS is a handheld with cool extra features, where the Revolution is a whacky feature with added regular abilities. It's backwards.

Funny, since this "crazy console" which you have already condemed to the "worst ideas in video game history bin" is gauranteed to bring new gameplay ideas onto home consoles. Whethere they will be fun our not, has yet to be seen.

What? Worst idea in videogame history? No, that's Bubsy. I think it is crazy, because it is. Did I ever say it wouldn't work? No, it might. Might. Might not. And how does "new gameplay ideas" equal good ones? Of course, we don't know if they will be, like you said. I HOPE the Revolution is a success, I just don't expect it to be much of one. And I know it won't change the face of gaming or anything. I don't think it's the worst idea in video game history, sir. I think it's too crazy that it has a big chance of flopping.

Not every gamer is looking for these things Joshua Christopher. I myself am simply looking for a cheap next gen console with decent graphics and really good games. All three of these, I should be able to find with the Revolution.

Oh, wait, so now you = what everyone wants? No way pal. Just because that's what *you* want does not make it what the general, casual gamer wants. The casual gamers pretty much keep these consoles afloat. I think that is what most of the gamers are looking for.

Everyone needs to realize that it is still way to early to tell whethere this system will be great or a complete flop. Once again, wait untill after E3, by then we should all know enough to actually be able to pass a semi-accurate judgement on whethere this controller will succed or not because by then we should have accounts of people who actually picked up the controller and played games such as SSB and Mario instead of a bunch of photos of the controller and screenshots of FPS.

So, wait, let me get this right here. You're arguing with people that you think the console will be really good. Yet you yourself say we can't be sure if it will be right now. I'm sorry, but that makes no sense. I hope it will be a success, as I've stated, I just don't expect it to be. I guess there's no point in trying to defend something that you cannot be sure about. It's silly, we all have different opinions. Mine are just right.

Untill then, I am done with this little debate.

Next time, just agree with me. Those of you who think you know everything are annoying to those of us who do.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

It's silly, we all have different opinions. Mine are just right.
Next time, just agree with me. Those of you who think you know everything are annoying to those of us who do.

*In Yoda's Voice* Arrogant we are?

[Joshua Christopher]

Arrogant we are?

No, not really. If you actually took something like that seriously, Nintendo should hire you to make their next console.

I jest, I love Nintendo. So, I don't particularly like the direction they're heading in. Hopefully it will turn out well. But honestly, I can't just blindly follow them.

So I'm being a bit negative, but so what?

[Debitt]

To start off: I think my first next generation purchase will be the PS3, once I get around to the nextgen consoles - right now college and my doll hobby is where most of my funds are going, so I'm not horribly caught up in the console war hype at the moment.

Yeah, I'm somewhat skeptical of Nintendo's new controller, which is why PS3 is my current favorite - and I'm sure deep down most of us are at least somewhat questioning of Nintendo's motives behind throwing conventional gaming controllers out the window. Not only does it narrow the appeal of the console to the gaming population, it seems as though Nintendo is sacrificing graphics power (yes, the Rev is the least 'souped up' of the next gen consoles), an integral part of the gaming scene today, and throwing their lot in to try something new. Entirely smart? No, not in my opinion. Bold? Most definitely. Could it work? I'm not going to say no - if they can show the gaming community that their little doo-hicky is more than a novelty, I think that people will be more willing to embrace the Rev.

Face it people, all we have right now is a picture, a vague concept and a whole lot of speculation as to how this thing is going to work. Some people think it'll work great, and judging from a few of Nintendo's past stunts (the DS being the first thing that comes to mind), I don't see any reason to try and discredit them. On the other hand, some people think it won't work so hot (to put it nicely) - and hey, it's a weird idea, totally understandable as well. Both perspectives have very little to base their opinions, no matter how strong, upon, and when it comes down to it, relatively few people are going to have their opinions changed.

So rehashing the same old argument over and over again is a touch futile in my mind - not trying to play a mod vigalante here, but these console wars are just the same old arguments getting chewed, spat up, chewed on, and spat up all over again.

Unfortunately, in the graphics department, while the screenshot does look okay, it'd hard to use it as a judge for the Rev's capabilities.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

I've also noticed you say you like the Nintendo Handhelds. But isn't the revolution in the same predicament the DS was before it came into market? Many people thought the DS was a crazy stupid idea, mixing the "palm pilot" with a gaming system. Looking at it now, the DS outsells everything else in Japan. And is doing exceptionally well in the US. It's a prime handheld. The revolution, according to you and many others, will be a failure (sound familiar with the DS?) But I have high expectations with the revolution. I think it will surpass the public opinions of some people (ones similar to yours) and will actually be popular like the DS, Both Japan and Europe/US. Do I like the controller design? Honestly, not really. It looks very cheesy. But I have high expectations for it and I am confident my expectations will be met.

For the record, I've never been a fan of overwhelming graphics. I'm fine with my 9800 pro and I still play my snes games. I'm sure many still think the same way. I find it actually quite sad that graphics are focused too much.


Edit: Added some extra stuff and changed some around.

[Radical Dreamer]

Put simply, everyone has a different opinion about this thing. Some are going to love the controller, some are going to hate it. I personally don't think I'll like it, if I ever do get the chance to play it, but, that's my opinion. The kids down the street from me might buy this thing and think that it's the best thing since sliced bread. It's all a matter of opinion, and it's certainly not something to get into a big Nintendo brawl over, especially since none of us have had the chance to actually try it out. For those of us who don't like it, let it be said that we don't, and for those who do, let it be said that you do. There's no reason to state why we don't like it, just as there's really no reason for anyone to state why they do like it. Just...two more cents, from me. XD

The revolution, like you and many others, will be a failure

I'm not a failure!!

*kidding* Just a touch of light-heartedness...

[Mr. SmartyPants]

XDDD I edited that