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Postby yog^sothoth » Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:30 am

:thumb: ....Then you should check out the manga Vagabond. Based on the book Musashi by Eji Yoshikawa Vagabond starts at the battle of Sekigahara *he battle Tokugawa Ieyasu pretty much solidified his power in) with the main character Takezo (later Miyamoto (the town he was from) Musashi (a different way of reading his written name - Takezo) waking up in the midst of a field of death. I don't know that I should say more other than it's the romantisized tale of the author of the Book of Five Rings. The book is something I reccomend as well.

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Postby inkhana » Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:37 am

Hmm...just cuz I have to say things like this...I hope that's not an affiliate link. I don't see an obvious referrer ID, but...anyway...:sweat: Looks kinda interesting but I don't know anything about it.


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Postby yog^sothoth » Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:06 am

sigh. like i would do anything like that. anyway, what would you like to know? The Book that this manga is based on provides a lot of very detailed information on styles and martial arts as well as geography and family histories. There are also a number of detailed accounts of the tokugawa period and this is about the point where christianity came about in Japan thanks to the portuguese and spanish. Despite the Tokugawa's banning of christianity it's a very important part of Japanese History and is very fun to read about.
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Postby inkhana » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:11 pm

Sounds interesting...^^ *adds it to her arm-long list of things to read someday* he he


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Postby supa dupa ninja » Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:47 pm

yeah it is awsome, cuz its made by favorite manga-ka takehiko inoue. the man who created SLAM DUNK!!!
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Postby yog^sothoth » Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:48 pm

I really reccomend the book. it's so good1 it's a story that was serialized in a newspaper for years. the guy who wrote it was even interesting. it's an itrest extravaganza!!!!
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Postby yog^sothoth » Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:51 pm

Well, I was talking about Eji Yoshikawa but Takehiko Inoue is also a great man!
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Postby Psycho Ann » Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:48 am

As usual, I'm here to bear the bad news. While Vagabond contains one of the most stunning artwork and storytelling (also done by one of my fav. mangaka), it is also very, VERY, graphic.

Inuoe-san does not spare any of the details and you can actually see *correct* cross-sections of severed limbs and heads. Blood runs in torrents and the deaths are grusome and violent.

Later on in book 2 or 3 (or later, I can't recall) there's going to be graphic adult situations. (I don't know if anything of the sort will happen again later).

I really really really would not recommend it from these aspects: the gore, violence, sexual situations, nudity, and language.

Artwork : stunning in its realism. Story : very engaging but personally like Slam Dunk much better.

Bottom line : I would have felt much better not seeing the things in it that I saw. Then again, that's my personal account. And I don't know if they censored anything here, I read the un-cut manga so things might be different. Well, just consider this a warning to those that are going to spend money on Vagabond. ^^
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Postby yog^sothoth » Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:39 am

I wouldn't call it very VERY graphic......it is graphic but it is to the point of realistic. There are a few adult situations in which a prostitute uses her feminine wiles to taint one of the main characters, matahachi (it happens very early on in the story). The nudity is there to show us just how this character works. The gore, on the other hand, is part of the legend surounding the character that Yoshikawa portrays. In his early life Takezo is a man of blood, guts, and glory. he's going to kill and keep killing until he is dead. Then the monk Takuan comes in and we see a change (also very early in the book and on the back cover). The gore and violence is symbolic and graphic strictly for the reason that swordfighting is not pillowfighting.

I am not defending the violence or the sexual or adult content. For the most part, I think that this stuff should stay away from most things (or, we should be sheltered from the realistic fact that our species is violent and disgusting). However, this story is done in taste and while it is violent or graphic at times, it is to be expected. I would say that this graphic novel does not compare in content to other works like Lupin III or Wolf and Cub or Blade of the Immortal. Those three manga are, at times, a tad tasteless. While they are good, I love anything lupin, there is hardly any need for the amount of nudity that is seen in these manga.

I reccomend this story (the book Musashi by Eji Yoshikawa) because it is one of the most celebrated literary pieces Japan has ever produced. The man Musashi is known the world over for his accomplishments and his Way of the Sword Book of Five Rings. This story gives a very nice and base overview of the history of the japanese and would help or benefit anyone who read it. The Manga, while different in content, captures the main elements of the story and provides an easy read to those not willing to comit to a nearly 1000 page book.

I am not disagreeing with you in your suggestion that this manga is violent and graphic. However, I still believe that this manga should be suggested to everyone.....over the age of 16
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Postby Psycho Ann » Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:14 pm

No hard feelings, yog. I'm just into reviews that at least warn readers (especially here, where I do believe they want a warning of questionable content) about these things. I'm not against Vagabond and saying it shouldn't be suggested at all--only that I would keep in mind to at least mention the violence, etc etc.

Since you already stated all the good stuff, I had no reason to repeat them and instead focused on the aspect you missed in your posts. I'm sorry if it sounded like I'm just focusing on the negative--I was just saying what you left out ^^
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