What kind of worship do you perfer?

[Steeltemplar]

I guess you are referring only to music. I was about to say liturgical. I also prefer traditional hymns, but I don't feel they fit into the two categories you've created. Some traditional hymns, such as Gaudete (my favorite) are very fast and lively, while others, such as Tantum Ergo are slow, but not necesarrily emotional.

Tantum Ergo is probably my favorite religious song. Something about it is just beautiful.

I tend to like the older traditional stuff, personally. The ones which have stood the test of time. I have rarely heard anything new that compares to the older hymns.

Musically, one of the most impressive services I have ever attended was a Solemn High Mass at St. Mary Mother of God in DC. A truly beautiful service in the tridentine style. IIRC, they had the choir from Christendom College there that day. The music was just divine.

[uc pseudonym]

I have an obligation to remind everyone that while religious discussion relating to the topic is acceptable, there is a very fine line (at times only semantic) between it and theological debate. Provided that no one is offended, however, I believe we can probably continue.

This discussion has already run most of its course, and I do not feel I have anything significant to contribute. Because I was involved previously, however, I will state that my opinion has similarities to many of those of others: the Bible references singing frequently and generally includes it among praise, but it never specifically demands that Christians sing.

[CDLviking]

Musically, one of the most impressive services I have ever attended was a Solemn High Mass at St. Mary Mother of God in DC. A truly beautiful service in the tridentine style. IIRC, they had the choir from Christendom College there that day. The music was just divine.

In Portland, on big feasts, they have a high mass in the Dominican rite (basicly indistinguishable from tridentine) at which the Cantores in Ecclesiae sing. They are an awesome choir based out of Portland, but they get asked to sing everywhere.

[GhostontheNet]

As far a Lucifer... that was Satans name in heavan... read through the word... when he was in heaven he was refered to as lucifer. When he fell he was refered to as satan, " and i saw satan fall ...".

Not Taken from Revelations:
Isaiah 14:12
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Ezek. 28:15 tells us that Lucifer was perfect in his ways from the day that he was created, until iniquity was found in him.

Luke 10:18 "And He said to them, 'I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.'"[/QUOTE] The Grammarian covered my objection more explicitly on these passages, where I think it is a case of "it does not equal". Also, it is "Revelation" in the singular, not "Revelations". Similarly, my mentioning Revelation was an anticipation stating what I know - that although I don't think the Lucifer = the satan interpretation holds water, I know that the book of Revelation has heavenly songs in it anyway without him.

[Eriana]

I like slow worship songs, there usually easier to sing to and they just seem more peaceful and more like a worship song then the fast paced ones.

[Jaltus-bot]

I like different ones at different times.

[Eriana]

Well I suppose that's true. Christian rock for me is more enjoyable when I'm in my own house but when I'm at church slow songs are better for me to worship to. But because I usually go to a Messianic congregation there are fun fast paced songs to clap to which I find enjoyable for worship.
I'm just more of a serious person sometimes. I suppose it depends on my mood but everytime I listen to my music I 99% of the time go for the serious sounding tracks. Anything else is to hard for me to get into spiritually.

[~Natsumi Lam~]

Luke 10:18 "And He said to them, 'I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.' The Grammarian covered my objection more explicitly on these passages, where I think it is a case of "it does not equal". Also, it is "Revelation" in the singular, not "Revelations". Similarly, my mentioning Revelation was an anticipation stating what I know - that although I don't think the Lucifer = the satan interpretation holds water, I know that the book of Revelation has heavenly songs in it anyway without him.

from my point of view this conversation has been dead for a while... you believe what you will, i really dont care for one, and two in the spectrum of life this conversation about lucifer being satan or not is just semantics. ANd as far as revelations vs revelation ... if you got that out of the conversation, its a typo and your just looking for something to argue about... so drop it, its been dead.

~NL~

[GhostontheNet]

from my point of view this conversation has been dead for a while... you believe what you will, i really dont care for one, and two in the spectrum of life this conversation about lucifer being satan or not is just semantics. ANd as far as revelations vs revelation ... if you got that out of the conversation, its a typo and your just looking for something to argue about... so drop it, its been dead.

~NL~

A pity you had determined to be irritable about this stuff. The only reason I mentioned it being Revelation vs. Revelations is that it is a pet peeve of mine because the entire thing is a rhetorical single unit, and a masterful one at that. You yourself too seemed to hold that to know your enemy can be profitable, and hence that a little demonology could be useful. At any rate, taking uc pseudonym's guideline, this is the point at which I bail out.

[Nate]

Not that I'm a big fan of contemporary Christian music, but I have little choice in the matter since it is now all my car's stereo picks up, but I remember the lyrics from a song I hear often on it:

I'll bring You more than a song
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within

- From "Heart of Worship"

I believe music is helpful, but that it is more what we DO for God, rather than what we sing, or what we listen to.

I'm sure God would rather see me out there living a Christlike life than singing a song to Him.

[Jeikobu]

I'm easily the "slow-paced "Emotional" type". I can praise God much easier that way, and get much more into it.

[Eriana]

Usually slower songs also contain more meaningful lyrics, Even if fast paced songs contain meaningful lyrics it does not come out sounding the same because everything is to wacky to sound serious. ^^;;;
I'm just not much of a heavy metal kind of person. I like Japanese heavy metal music but in America there are to many breathy singers as long as the ones who scream into the microphone, which by the way is a killer when your listening to it on your headphones.

[Yumie]

... Of course, I find the argument in support of classic European hymns over any other form of worship to be rediculous. An admiration of what people had gone through and poetic mastery are fine, but not at the expense of positive and right worship people have using modern songs. Also, there are THOUSANDS of modern worship songs, and to ignore them all simply because you hold the old hymns in high regard or because of the style of music is more than immature, it's spiritually dangerous. Dangerous in the arguments it start, dangerous in the people you hurt in downplaying everything that isn't to your tastes.

Well, I can't speak for everyone who said they likes "classic European hymns," but as for myself and my support of them, I don't see how you think that my point of view about it qualifies as "ridiculous." This whole discussion is about personal preference and I was just stating my own. And at least in my own post I didn't ignore the thousands of other modern worship songs "simply because I hold the old hymns in high regard," I for one said that I like some of the modern stuff, just that most of it does not appeal to me as much as the old hymns do and that some just don't have the meaning behind them that makes them touching to my spirit. I feel personally that you're statement is maybe a touch harsh and that no one was being immature or trying to start any kind of an argument about it or "downplay everything that isn't to our tastes," we were just saying what we think (which, as I mentioned earlier, was the entire point of this thread in the first place.)

[The Grammarian]

Well, I can't speak for everyone who said they likes "classic European hymns," but as for myself and my support of them, I don't see how you think that my point of view about it qualifies as "ridiculous." This whole discussion is about personal preference and I was just stating my own. And at least in my own post I didn't ignore the thousands of other modern worship songs "simply because I hold the old hymns in high regard," I for one said that I like some of the modern stuff, just that most of it does not appeal to me as much as the old hymns do and that some just don't have the meaning behind them that makes them touching to my spirit. I feel personally that you're statement is maybe a touch harsh and that no one was being immature or trying to start any kind of an argument about it or "downplay everything that isn't to our tastes," we were just saying what we think (which, as I mentioned earlier, was the entire point of this thread in the first place.)

I don't know that Bobtheduck was saying people's support for hymnody was ridiculous so much as the argument that hymnody was the only acceptable form of worship was ridiculous. However, since none of those who prefer hymnody have expressed a doctrinaire view that hymnody is the only acceptable form of worship in song, I have no idea why he even brought it up.

[uc pseudonym]

from my point of view this conversation has been dead for a while... you believe what you will, i really dont care for one, and two in the spectrum of life this conversation about lucifer being satan or not is just semantics. ANd as far as revelations vs revelation ... if you got that out of the conversation, its a typo and your just looking for something to argue about... so drop it, its been dead.

A pity you had determined to be irritable about this stuff. The only reason I mentioned it being Revelation vs. Revelations is that it is a pet peeve of mine because the entire thing is a rhetorical single unit, and a masterful one at that. You yourself too seemed to hold that to know your enemy can be profitable, and hence that a little demonology could be useful. At any rate, taking uc pseudonym's guideline, this is the point at which I bail out.

If the primary parties of this discussion feel that it will not truly go any further (which is likely true), I would encourage that it be dropped by others as well.

Not that I'm a big fan of contemporary Christian music, but I have little choice in the matter since it is now all my car's stereo picks up, but I remember the lyrics from a song I hear often on it:

I'll bring You more than a song
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within

- From "Heart of Worship"

Not a song I particularly enjoy, but I have long admired the intent of it.

However, since none of those who prefer hymnody have expressed a doctrinaire view that hymnody is the only acceptable form of worship in song, I have no idea why he even brought it up.

I think that he did so because it clarified his exact position on the subject. However, I don't think this strain of the discussion will contribute anything, and so I'll ask that it be discontinued, unless someone truly feels there is not ressolution, in which case I would appreciate them PMing me before posting.

[truthgone12]

Hymns are the best.

[Eriana]

Hmmm...Hymns are fine but not my absolute favorite I believe.

[yukinon]

Some hymns are incredible, some aren't. Same goes for contemporary songs.

I love "Stand in Awe". Has anyone heard the Supertones version?

[Yumie]

I'll bring You more than a song
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within

- From "Heart of Worship"

You know, for a long time I didn't really like this song, but then I heard the story behind it which made it ten times cooler. Though it's still not really my favorite, I like it a lot more now.