What kind of worship do you perfer?
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it heavily depends on my mood, if im feeling like a party and something very upbeat or if im in the mood for something i could reflect more on. i like both and remain undecided (even though i voted for Jesus roxxors my soxxors)
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I think that different styles reflect different characteristics of God. Different styles also invoke different emotional responses. Faster music is more celebratory. Slower music is more introspective.
At worship team trainings at our church, we learn that the way to construct a set is in the form of a parabola. At the beginning you have high energy songs to start off. In the middle, you have slower songs, for reflection. At the end, you have faster songs again, for celebration and praise.
The reasoning behind this is that you need to cover both spectrums. If you don't, you're leaving out something important. If you don't have reflection, you tend to forget that you've wronged God and that you're inadequate. If you don't have celebration, you focus only on your inadequacies and forget that Jesus has healed the rift.
So I've learned to appreciate both.
I love hymns. Passion's Hymns Ancient and Modern is one of my favourite CDs. But, there's something about a lone organ that doesn't agree with me. I like guitars and basses and pianos and drums, but that's just personal taste and preference.
A friend told me once that it's selfish to choose songs for a worship set based on what you, the worship team leader, likes or doesn't like.
At worship team trainings at our church, we learn that the way to construct a set is in the form of a parabola. At the beginning you have high energy songs to start off. In the middle, you have slower songs, for reflection. At the end, you have faster songs again, for celebration and praise.
The reasoning behind this is that you need to cover both spectrums. If you don't, you're leaving out something important. If you don't have reflection, you tend to forget that you've wronged God and that you're inadequate. If you don't have celebration, you focus only on your inadequacies and forget that Jesus has healed the rift.
So I've learned to appreciate both.
I love hymns. Passion's Hymns Ancient and Modern is one of my favourite CDs. But, there's something about a lone organ that doesn't agree with me. I like guitars and basses and pianos and drums, but that's just personal taste and preference.
A friend told me once that it's selfish to choose songs for a worship set based on what you, the worship team leader, likes or doesn't like.
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I, personally, believe that living for God is worship, so music isn't necessary. I do, however, tend towards more energetic/driving music. One of my favorite songs to worship to is "Simply" by Pillar.
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Raiden no Kishi wrote:I, personally, believe that living for God is worship, so music isn't necessary. I do, however, tend towards more energetic/driving music. One of my favorite songs to worship to is "Simply" by Pillar.
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After all, the word "worship" in the original langages means "to bend the knee", i.e. to kneel, and as my pastor often used to point out, the Anglo-Saxon "Worship" means "Worthship".-
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I've thought a lot about this. See, don't get me wrong, I like some contemporary worship music. "The Voice of Truth" was brought up, and I adore that song. It means a lot to me. There are some others that I like too. And I love just listening to it when I'm in the car or in my room or hanging out with friends. But when I'm in worship (as in in a room with other believers on a Sunday morning or at a retreat, not the constant of worship) I don't usually like the contemporary stuff too much excluding a few exceptions. The reason is pretty simple. A lot of them have no meaning. I mean, there are so many songs out there simply to evoke a feeling, a high, that may not even be because of God. We can get so caught up in a feeling that comes from a melody or a chorus that we stop focusing on God and start focusing on how good the music sounds or how good the song makes us feel. But then I stop myself and I look at the words, and I think, "This song has no real meaning or depth whatsoever." I think a lot of worship songs nowadays are written to sell, not to worship. I think some bands get caught up in putting out a hit and stop writing songs that really come from their hearts in worship of God. When I sing an old hymn that talks about how awesome God is and all the wonderful things He's done-- then look down at the bottom of the overhead and see that it was written by Fanny Crosby who was blind from infancy-- that means something to me. I can tell that it was written from the bottom of her heart in adoration of a Creator whose face will be one of the first she'll ever see. When there is a meaning behind a song, it makes all the difference, and I fear that a lot of modern stuff is losing the meaning that makes it worth while. So it's not that I don't like all modern fast rock-out worship, it's just that more of the older hymns have real meaning to me. Heck, my favorite song ever is in my sig, and suprise! It's a hymn. So anyways, sorry to ramble, but that's my take.
Be Thou my Vision, O Lord of my heart;
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art
Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.
Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.
Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.
Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.
High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art
Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.
Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.
Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.
Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.
High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.
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Raiden no Kishi wrote:I, personally, believe that living for God is worship, so music isn't necessary. I do, however, tend towards more energetic/driving music. One of my favorite songs to worship to is "Simply" by Pillar.
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music is necessary..... Bible says so. But living life for God is worship too.
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that was a hardish decision because I love praising god in both ways....it all depends how I want to talk to god, if I want to thank him I usually prefer slow paced songs, but when I am in the "superchristian" Mood, where I think I can take on the world I like the Fast paced songs
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~Natsumi Lam~ wrote:music is necessary..... Bible says so.
I disagree. If I recall there is no exhortation to create music, or at least certainly not one that should be applied uniformly to all Christians across time. It is certainly unarguable (within reason) that the Bible supports music as a form of worship, but I do not believe the Bible mandates it.
GhostontheNet wrote:After all, the word "worship" in the original langages means "to bend the knee", i.e. to kneel, and as my pastor often used to point out, the Anglo-Saxon "Worship" means "Worthship".
Yes. I may submit to God through music, but I feel that other methods of worship are more effective and more important to me.
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I prefer the faster paced music. It helps me focus somehow, as if the force of energy it stirs up, though physical, helps me to force my frequently wandering mind to concentrate. It helps me to really mean what I sing because I'm thinking about it. Slower music does not have this effect on me, so I tend to lose my focus, and it becomes empty motions as a consequence. I want my worship to be real, so I like the music that helps me to do that.
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uc pseudonym wrote:I disagree. If I recall there is no exhortation to create music, or at least certainly not one that should be applied uniformly to all Christians across time. It is certainly unarguable (within reason) that the Bible supports music as a form of worship, but I do not believe the Bible mandates it.
Yes. I may submit to God through music, but I feel that other methods of worship are more effective and more important to me.
Just recalling from memory, there are some verses like "Sing a new song unto the Lord" and something about praising him with cymbols and something more that I can't remember, so the Bible actually does tell us to worship with music, but you're right it's not the only way to worship and it's not necessarily the most effective either, I think it all depends on who you are and what helps you to worship most.
Be Thou my Vision, O Lord of my heart;
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art
Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.
Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.
Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.
Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.
High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art
Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.
Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.
Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.
Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.
High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.
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Yumie wrote:When I sing an old hymn that talks about how awesome God is and all the wonderful things He's done-- then look down at the bottom of the overhead and see that it was written by Fanny Crosby who was blind from infancy-- that means something to me. I can tell that it was written from the bottom of her heart in adoration of a Creator whose face will be one of the first she'll ever see.
You must be talking about To God Be the Glory, one of my many favorites. ^_^
When I was in high school, I had to write an essay on the life of any songwriter and comment on their song lyrics. Though lots of my fellow students likely wrote about their favorite rock band members and such, I chose to research and write about Fanny Crosby. I had noticed how so many times in her songs she had a line or two about seeing and sight, and yet she was blind since she was about six months old.
The one line from To God Be the Glory is only one example of this:
Fanny Crosby wrote:But purer and higher and greater will be
Our wonder, our transport, when Jesus we see!
Mom once told me that she thinks that the reason a lot of the older hymns had more depth and meaning to their words than a lot of the more contemporary stuff does is that the older hymns were often written during really hard times in history -- wars, famine, or even personal loss. (If memory serves me correctly -- the writer of one of our best-known hymns, It Is Well With My Soul, had written it just minutes after losing his wife and four daughters in a shipwreck!)
...Don't mind my rambling; maybe I'll think of more to say later on if the Lord leads me to. ^_^;
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TheMelodyMaker wrote:(If memory serves me correctly -- the writer of one of our best-known hymns, It Is Well With My Soul, had written it just minutes after losing his wife and four daughters in a shipwreck!)
That's basically right. He wrote it after visiting the spot where his wife and four daughters drowned after their ship crashed into another on a foggy night. And not too long before that happened he lost his only son to illness (I'm pretty positive it was pneumonia but I could be wrong on that.) So that song has such an incredible message because it was a man who was telling God that it was well with his soul even though he had just had his entire family taken from him. And as we mentioned Fanny Crosby, one of the amazing things to think about was HOW she lost her sight. For anybody who didn't know this, Fanny wasn't born blind. When she was an infant she got an eye infection, and the common practice in that day was to apply a hot substance to infected areas to heat an infection out. The substance they used on her eyes was too hot, and blinded her. If I were in her situation, I wonder if I would even be able to forgive the doctor who effectively took away my sight, much less write uplifting songs of praise that would encourage millions. I think it's reasons like those that give those songs real depth and meaning.
Be Thou my Vision, O Lord of my heart;
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art
Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.
Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.
Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.
Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.
High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art
Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.
Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.
Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.
Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.
High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.
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I guess you could say the older I get the closer I get to being some type of
Anglo-Catholic.
I find that the very idea of Christ's Real Presence in the Communion to be
a spiritual comfort.
Anglo-Catholic.
I find that the very idea of Christ's Real Presence in the Communion to be
a spiritual comfort.
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Personally, I prefer the ritualistic aspects of worship (communion and prayer for example) and a sermon with multiple levels of meaning that doesn't lean too much toward evangelism. Not really into singing hymns, which I know is odd, since I've sung in the church choir for over 10 years.
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yukinon wrote:Where in the Bible does it say so, Natsumi?
A:--King david[Man after God's own heart] please God through music and pleads to God through music, ---
Ps 7
-->note end of chapter says: " I will praise the LORD according to His righteousness, And will sing praise to the name of the LORD Most High. "
Ps 9
1 I will praise You, O LORD, with my whole heart]Sing praises [/B] to the LORD, who dwells in Zion!
Declare His deeds among the people.
And all through psalms.... aka also know as the songs of david to God
Neh 12:46 For in the days of David and Asaph of old [there were] chief of the singers, and songs of praise and thanksgiving unto God.
Psa 32:7 Thou [art] my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.
B: We are instructed to sing to the Lord in troubles, joys, sorrows.
1Ch 25:7 So the number of them, with their brethren that were instructed in the songs of the LORD, [even] all that were cunning, was two hundred fourscore and eight.
Pro 25:20 [As] he that taketh away a garment in cold weather, [and as] vinegar upon nitre, so [is] he that singeth songs to an heavy heart.
Isa 23:16 Take an harp, go about the city, thou harlot that hast been forgotten; make sweet melody, sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered.
Isa 35:10 And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.
Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
1Ch 16:9 Sing unto him, sing psalms unto him, talk ye of all his wondrous works.
2Ch 20:22 And when they began to sing and to praise, the LORD set ambushments against the children of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten. ---> power in praise
2Ch 23:13 And she looked, and, behold, the king stood at his pillar at the entering in, and the princes and the trumpets by the king: and all the people of the land rejoiced, and sounded with trumpets, also the singers with instruments of musick, and such as taught to sing praise. Then Athaliah rent her clothes, and said, Treason, Treason.
Psalm 33:2
Praise the LORD with the harp;Make melody to Him with an instrument of ten strings.
Psa 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.
C: Song of Solomon is all about musical story of praise and worship between Jesus and His Church. a love story through song
D: If you study the OT and NT you will see that throughout history Music has been the doorway to reach Gods presence.
David in field with harp
Kings instructed music to be played IE Saul instructed to play:
1 Samuel 16:23
And so it was, whenever the spirit from God was upon Saul, that [B]David would take a harp and play it with his hand. Then Saul would become refreshed and well, and the distressing spirit would depart from him.[/B]
Kings 10:12
And the king made steps of the almug wood for the house of the LORD and for the king’s house, also harps and stringed instruments for singers. There never again came such almug wood, nor has the like been seen to this day.
The Arc was brought with singing and instruments:
1 Chronicles 15:28
Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting and with the sound of the horn, with trumpets and with cymbals, making music with stringed instruments and harps.
Service to God:
1 Chronicles 25:6
All these were under the direction of their father for the music in the house of the LORD, with cymbals, stringed instruments, and harps, for the service of the house of God. Asaph, Jeduthun, and Heman were under the authority of the king.
2 Chronicles 20:28
So they came to Jerusalem, with stringed instruments and harps and trumpets, to the house of the LORD.
Psalm 149:3
Let them praise His name with the dance;Let them sing praises to Him with the timbrel and harp.
~~Do i need to say anymore? Now do believe music praise is neccessary?
Once more, do a topical study throughout the bible... you will see it is absolutely significant to our walk with God. And yes you need to praise other ways too.... ie dance.
Case and Point: if you do a study you will find singing, songs, music with praise and worship, in most cases... some praise ad worship is body or spoken or action, most is song. ~~
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MelMak, Yumie:
The author of It Is Well With My Soul did indeed write it after losing his daughters in a shipwreck. However, his wife survived the experience--she telegraphed him a message that became somewhat famous: "Saved alone."
The Cyber Hymnal (cyberhymnal.org) says this about the hymn's author:
[quote="""]This hymn was written after two major traumas in Spafford’s life. The first was the great Chicago Fire of October 1871, which ruined him financially (he had been a wealthy businessman). Shortly after, while crossing the Atlantic, all four of Spafford’s daughters died in a collision with another ship. Spafford’s wife Anna survived and sent him the now famous telegram, “Saved alone.â€
The author of It Is Well With My Soul did indeed write it after losing his daughters in a shipwreck. However, his wife survived the experience--she telegraphed him a message that became somewhat famous: "Saved alone."
The Cyber Hymnal (cyberhymnal.org) says this about the hymn's author:
[quote="""]This hymn was written after two major traumas in Spafford’s life. The first was the great Chicago Fire of October 1871, which ruined him financially (he had been a wealthy businessman). Shortly after, while crossing the Atlantic, all four of Spafford’s daughters died in a collision with another ship. Spafford’s wife Anna survived and sent him the now famous telegram, “Saved alone.â€
To all, life thou givest, to both great and small.
In all life, thou livest, the true life of all.
We blossom and flourish as leaves on a tree
And wither and perish, but naught changeth thee.
--Immortal, Invisible, God Only Wise
Texan by birth, Yankee by accident of location.
In all life, thou livest, the true life of all.
We blossom and flourish as leaves on a tree
And wither and perish, but naught changeth thee.
--Immortal, Invisible, God Only Wise
Texan by birth, Yankee by accident of location.
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Hmm, cynical as this may be, it is first of all highly probable that a Book of Songs (Psalms and Isaiah) will talk about the singing of songs while singing - rhetorical devices of the genre. Similarly, as to the Song of Solomon, the interpretation that the book really is romantic and erotic in nature, with contrary interpretations part of an agenda to devalue sex (Martin Abegg Jr, Peter Flint, Eugene Ulrich, The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible p. 611-612 gives info on this, including the Qumranites dropping the sexual imagery entirely in theirs, Rabbis and early Christians who found the book far too offensive, and the downplayed interpretations in both.) Your other passages are not so much commands to sing as stating that singing occured or will occur (i.e. the passage dealing with the End of Exile in Isaiah). Never in all do I see that music is supposed to be "a doorway to God's presence" as a celebration of something. Although to be sure, the New Testament passages still hold on this matter, although interestingly a look in a Lexicon at Ephesians 5:19 reveals "odes" in the definitions of key terms, with "songs" actually being the word "ᾠδή : ōdē. If my World Civilizations teacher tells the truth on this, what they called songs would in fact generally be what we would call poetry - hence one could "sing" the works of Homer or Virgil, or much later under their influence, John Milton. This is not to impugn the relevance of songs as a form of honoring the EVER-LIVING, indeed, I had already said my piece that abandoning the Biblical and early Christian songs is the equivalent to selling one's birthright for pottage compared to the incredibly rich songs of those times. I practically desperately wish for a musical "Odes of Solomon", but alas, no musician has stepped up to fill those shoes, and I lack the knowledge to do it myself. We need a new genre I think - that of the modern musical style epic poets, speaking Milton or Isaiah or Songs of Solomon, or the Odes of Solomon.~Natsumi Lam~ wrote:A:--King david[Man after God's own heart] please God through music and pleads to God through music, ---
Ps 7
-->note end of chapter says: " I will praise the LORD according to His righteousness, And will sing praise to the name of the LORD Most High. "
Ps 9
1 I will praise You, O LORD, with my whole heart]Sing praises [/B] to the LORD, who dwells in Zion!
Declare His deeds among the people.
And all through psalms.... aka also know as the songs of david to God
Neh 12:46 For in the days of David and Asaph of old [there were] chief of the singers, and songs of praise and thanksgiving unto God.
Psa 32:7 Thou [art] my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.
B: We are instructed to sing to the Lord in troubles, joys, sorrows.
1Ch 25:7 So the number of them, with their brethren that were instructed in the songs of the LORD, [even] all that were cunning, was two hundred fourscore and eight.
Pro 25:20 [As] he that taketh away a garment in cold weather, [and as] vinegar upon nitre, so [is] he that singeth songs to an heavy heart.
Isa 23:16 Take an harp, go about the city, thou harlot that hast been forgotten; make sweet melody, sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered.
Isa 35:10 And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.
Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
1Ch 16:9 Sing unto him, sing psalms unto him, talk ye of all his wondrous works.
2Ch 20:22 And when they began to sing and to praise, the LORD set ambushments against the children of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten. ---> power in praise
2Ch 23:13 And she looked, and, behold, the king stood at his pillar at the entering in, and the princes and the trumpets by the king: and all the people of the land rejoiced, and sounded with trumpets, also the singers with instruments of musick, and such as taught to sing praise. Then Athaliah rent her clothes, and said, Treason, Treason.
Psalm 33:2
Praise the LORD with the harp;Make melody to Him with an instrument of ten strings.
Psa 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.
C: Song of Solomon is all about musical story of praise and worship between Jesus and His Church. a love story through song
D: If you study the OT and NT you will see that throughout history Music has been the doorway to reach Gods presence.
David in field with harp
Kings instructed music to be played IE Saul instructed to play:
1 Samuel 16:23
And so it was, whenever the spirit from God was upon Saul, that [B]David would take a harp and play it with his hand. Then Saul would become refreshed and well, and the distressing spirit would depart from him.[/B]
Kings 10:12
And the king made steps of the almug wood for the house of the LORD and for the king’s house, also harps and stringed instruments for singers. There never again came such almug wood, nor has the like been seen to this day.
The Arc was brought with singing and instruments:
1 Chronicles 15:28
Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting and with the sound of the horn, with trumpets and with cymbals, making music with stringed instruments and harps.
Service to God:
1 Chronicles 25:6
All these were under the direction of their father for the music in the house of the LORD, with cymbals, stringed instruments, and harps, for the service of the house of God. Asaph, Jeduthun, and Heman were under the authority of the king.
2 Chronicles 20:28
So they came to Jerusalem, with stringed instruments and harps and trumpets, to the house of the LORD.
Psalm 149:3
Let them praise His name with the dance;Let them sing praises to Him with the timbrel and harp.
~~Do i need to say anymore? Now do believe music praise is neccessary?
Once more, do a topical study throughout the bible... you will see it is absolutely significant to our walk with God. And yes you need to praise other ways too.... ie dance.
Case and Point: if you do a study you will find singing, songs, music with praise and worship, in most cases... some praise ad worship is body or spoken or action, most is song. ~~
~NL~
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GhostontheNet - Posts: 1963
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The fast paced kind is more my thing, but I'm quite capable of slow emotional music worship. I also like to just turn on some Christian music while I read the Bible. I guess it's like being emersed in it.
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phinny5608 - Posts: 45
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Just to add a bit to what Ghost said, early Christian liturgies were often sung, so it could easily be a reference to liturgical worship and not necessarily a command to sing.
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it acctually depends on my mood (like my avi eyes heheh) when im hyper i like songs like umm... i cant think of the name of it but it goes ... You have turned my mourning into dancing.... i love that song *spins while humming that song*
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A: Doesnt sound like a request... its a nessecary part of our walk with God! We are instructed to make music
Psalm 150
Let All Things Praise the LORD
1 Praise the LORD!
Praise God in His sanctuary;
Praise Him in His mighty firmament!
2 Praise Him for His mighty acts;
Praise Him according to His excellent greatness!
3 Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet;
Praise Him with the lute and harp!
4 Praise Him with the timbrel and dance;
Praise Him with stringed instruments and flutes!
5 Praise Him with loud cymbals;
Praise Him with clashing cymbals!
6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD.
Praise the LORD!
B: Lucifer before he was cast down was the most beautiful angel... and he was the angel who was God's chief musician. If God created music to be played in heaven to enrich Him. Wouldnt God do likewise to our souls.... we were made after His image.
Secondly, he is known as the prince of the wind and air[yes it is biblical]. Words, music, statements, promise and curses are all carried by the air. Music can either enrich or hender the soul. God throughout the bible takes all that Satan has held and adds a reverse blow to it. Praise and Worship Music and words all are a counter. Likewise, do we not exept Christ with your mouth? God requires of us to submit ourselves wholly, music to God is one way to bridal our tongue and hearts.
C: Music is used to break bondages:
1 Samuel 16:23
And so it was, whenever the spirit from God was upon Saul, that David would take a harp and play it with his hand. Then Saul would become refreshed and well, and the distressing spirit would depart from him.
ANOTHER WAY IT IS PUT :
1Sa 16:23 And it came to pass, when the [evil] spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.
D: if anyone doesnt believe me, weigh it against the Bible
because if the OT and NT, both talk about praise in song with such great importance and variety.THe bible is Gods active word and our book [yes i know there are many books that comprise the bible] to show us how to get closer to God, recieve eternal salvation... how to walk with Him.
~NL~
Psalm 150
Let All Things Praise the LORD
1 Praise the LORD!
Praise God in His sanctuary;
Praise Him in His mighty firmament!
2 Praise Him for His mighty acts;
Praise Him according to His excellent greatness!
3 Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet;
Praise Him with the lute and harp!
4 Praise Him with the timbrel and dance;
Praise Him with stringed instruments and flutes!
5 Praise Him with loud cymbals;
Praise Him with clashing cymbals!
6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD.
Praise the LORD!
B: Lucifer before he was cast down was the most beautiful angel... and he was the angel who was God's chief musician. If God created music to be played in heaven to enrich Him. Wouldnt God do likewise to our souls.... we were made after His image.
Secondly, he is known as the prince of the wind and air[yes it is biblical]. Words, music, statements, promise and curses are all carried by the air. Music can either enrich or hender the soul. God throughout the bible takes all that Satan has held and adds a reverse blow to it. Praise and Worship Music and words all are a counter. Likewise, do we not exept Christ with your mouth? God requires of us to submit ourselves wholly, music to God is one way to bridal our tongue and hearts.
C: Music is used to break bondages:
1 Samuel 16:23
And so it was, whenever the spirit from God was upon Saul, that David would take a harp and play it with his hand. Then Saul would become refreshed and well, and the distressing spirit would depart from him.
ANOTHER WAY IT IS PUT :
1Sa 16:23 And it came to pass, when the [evil] spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.
D: if anyone doesnt believe me, weigh it against the Bible
because if the OT and NT, both talk about praise in song with such great importance and variety.THe bible is Gods active word and our book [yes i know there are many books that comprise the bible] to show us how to get closer to God, recieve eternal salvation... how to walk with Him.
~NL~
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Evil spirit from God upon Saul?~Natsumi Lam~ wrote:A: Doesnt sound like a request... its a nessecary part of our walk with God!
Psalm 150
Let All Things Praise the LORD
1 Praise the LORD!
Praise God in His sanctuary] In other words, this itself being a song, is tantamount to exclaiming "strike up the band! Bring the energy!"I find it doubtful the classic passages taken to refer to "Lucifer" to the satan actually refer to him at all, but rather the kings the passages focus on. This argument has force from a reading Revelation however (where all manner of songs are sung in heaven), but the question isn't whether music is helpful but whether it is required.B: Lucifer before he was cast down was the most beautiful angel... and he was the angel who was God's chief musician. If God created music to be played in heaven to enrich Him. Wouldnt God do likewise to our souls.... we were made after His image.C: Music is used to break bondages:
1 Samuel 16:23
And so it was, whenever the spirit from God was upon Saul, that David would take a harp and play it with his hand. Then Saul would become refreshed and well, and the distressing spirit would depart from him.
ANOTHER WAY IT IS PUT :
1Sa 16:23 And it came to pass, when the [evil] spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.
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God allows things into our lives that who choose to let it, more so, Saul was before Jesus. He didnt have the salvation buffer. You have the option to open the door and let things in ... so did saul. Also biblical.
Read Job: story of Satan, God, Job and faith.
As far a Lucifer... that was Satans name in heavan... read through the word... when he was in heaven he was refered to as lucifer. When he fell he was refered to as satan, " and i saw satan fall ...".
Not Taken from Revelations:
Isaiah 14:12
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Ezek. 28:15 tells us that Lucifer was perfect in his ways from the day that he was created, until iniquity was found in him.
Luke 10:18 "And He said to them, 'I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.'"
~NL~
Read Job: story of Satan, God, Job and faith.
As far a Lucifer... that was Satans name in heavan... read through the word... when he was in heaven he was refered to as lucifer. When he fell he was refered to as satan, " and i saw satan fall ...".
Not Taken from Revelations:
Isaiah 14:12
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Ezek. 28:15 tells us that Lucifer was perfect in his ways from the day that he was created, until iniquity was found in him.
Luke 10:18 "And He said to them, 'I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.'"
~NL~
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Hmm... This is one of the areas things start to get ugly. I mean, getting out of potentially really important issues like free will and God's sovreignty, an argument that exists that's just as vicious is one concerning music... Of course, I find the argument in support of classic European hymns over any other form of worship to be rediculous. An admiration of what people had gone through and poetic mastery are fine, but not at the expense of positive and right worship people have using modern songs. Also, there are THOUSANDS of modern worship songs, and to ignore them all simply because you hold the old hymns in high regard or because of the style of music is more than immature, it's spiritually dangerous. Dangerous in the arguments it start, dangerous in the people you hurt in downplaying everything that isn't to your tastes.
The music for many hymns came from drinking songs, and there was nothing all that spiritual about it. You are less likely to find (though you will still find) songs today that are based on other songs (though they still happen) I like a few old hymns, such as "It is well with my soul"
As for being mandated to sing, I'd ignore the psalms when it comes to mandates since there really weren't mandates in the psalms, but Paul says to "Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord" in Ephesians 5:19. Music is a part of Christian life. Music is a part of life period, and there is no reason to separate music from our walk with God.
I've heard those three explained like this: Psalms are vertical. They talk directly to God, and are direct praises to him as well as, if you've read the psalms, prayers from what's in our lives... Psalms are not limited to the 150 specific psalms As for Hymns, they are "horizontal" meaning we sing about God to other people. It's praising God to those around us, which can be an encouragement to others and an evangelistic thing as well. Then there are spiritual songs, which are songs that happen spontaneously.
As for the "Evil spirit" from God, many translations translate it as "depression." Basiclaly, God screwed things up for Saul... It is also possible for God to have literally sent a demon, as well. I think the KJV removed reference to what the original said because it did bother the translators. Whatever the original said, God sent something VERY UNPLEASENT to him, and David's playing sent it away. He was forcing Saul to need David. Many things God did in the Old testament, but even much of what he does now, doesn't make sense in our understanding of God.
To make this truly on topic: I like both! I don't hold one higher than the other, nor do I hold Hymns higher or lower than contemporary worship, though I prefer contemporary in most cases...
The music for many hymns came from drinking songs, and there was nothing all that spiritual about it. You are less likely to find (though you will still find) songs today that are based on other songs (though they still happen) I like a few old hymns, such as "It is well with my soul"
As for being mandated to sing, I'd ignore the psalms when it comes to mandates since there really weren't mandates in the psalms, but Paul says to "Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord" in Ephesians 5:19. Music is a part of Christian life. Music is a part of life period, and there is no reason to separate music from our walk with God.
I've heard those three explained like this: Psalms are vertical. They talk directly to God, and are direct praises to him as well as, if you've read the psalms, prayers from what's in our lives... Psalms are not limited to the 150 specific psalms As for Hymns, they are "horizontal" meaning we sing about God to other people. It's praising God to those around us, which can be an encouragement to others and an evangelistic thing as well. Then there are spiritual songs, which are songs that happen spontaneously.
As for the "Evil spirit" from God, many translations translate it as "depression." Basiclaly, God screwed things up for Saul... It is also possible for God to have literally sent a demon, as well. I think the KJV removed reference to what the original said because it did bother the translators. Whatever the original said, God sent something VERY UNPLEASENT to him, and David's playing sent it away. He was forcing Saul to need David. Many things God did in the Old testament, but even much of what he does now, doesn't make sense in our understanding of God.
To make this truly on topic: I like both! I don't hold one higher than the other, nor do I hold Hymns higher or lower than contemporary worship, though I prefer contemporary in most cases...
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i think whatever worship or praise song that fits your fancy and leads you closer to God... whether slow or fast, hymn or not, loud or quiet, electric or accustic.... as long as it touches you and creates a bridge between your heart and God... "It is alllll goood"
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Generally, I prefer the faster worship music, but it ultimately depends on the song. I greatly enjoy certain slow songs like 'I Can Only Imagine.' (Personal fave)
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~Natsumi Lam~ wrote:As far a Lucifer... that was Satans name in heavan... read through the word... when he was in heaven he was refered to as lucifer. When he fell he was refered to as satan, " and i saw satan fall ...".
Not Taken from Revelations:
Isaiah 14:12
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Ezek. 28:15 tells us that Lucifer was perfect in his ways from the day that he was created, until iniquity was found in him.
Luke 10:18 "And He said to them, 'I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.'"
Most commentators believe that "Lucifer, son of the morning" does not refer to Satan, but to the king of Babylon. Consider that the section in which verse 12 appears starts off with the words, "When the Lord gives you rest from your pain, torment, and the hard labor you were forced to do, you will sing this song [of contempt] for the king of Babylon..." (Holman Christian Standard Version, vv. 3, 4).
In general, it is a bad idea to try to derive doctrine from poetry and history in the Bible. Poetry is far too prone to hyperbole and exaggeration, and history is unlikely to spell out doctrine clearly.
Also, with regard to music being commanded--Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16 both enjoin readers to sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Interestingly, however, in both passages, singing to the Lord is seen not so much as a separate command, but as a necessary part of living a godly life (being filled with the Spirit according to Ephesians, and letting the gospel of Christ dwell in you according to Colossians).
To all, life thou givest, to both great and small.
In all life, thou livest, the true life of all.
We blossom and flourish as leaves on a tree
And wither and perish, but naught changeth thee.
--Immortal, Invisible, God Only Wise
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In all life, thou livest, the true life of all.
We blossom and flourish as leaves on a tree
And wither and perish, but naught changeth thee.
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The Grammarian - Posts: 340
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Bobtheduck wrote:The music for many hymns came from drinking songs, and there was nothing all that spiritual about it.
I don't know how many times I've heard that stated, and yet I can never find a source that backs it up. Perhaps that was once true, but The Cyber Hymnal's list of hymnody tunes shows that most tunes still in use came from 18th and 19th century composers like George Handel, Philip Bliss and John Dykes.
To all, life thou givest, to both great and small.
In all life, thou livest, the true life of all.
We blossom and flourish as leaves on a tree
And wither and perish, but naught changeth thee.
--Immortal, Invisible, God Only Wise
Texan by birth, Yankee by accident of location.
In all life, thou livest, the true life of all.
We blossom and flourish as leaves on a tree
And wither and perish, but naught changeth thee.
--Immortal, Invisible, God Only Wise
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