It shook me up pretty bad.

[White Raven]

[Slater]

first off, you shouldn't be sleeping with your fiance until after your married. That needs to stop, even if there's no sex involved, because it's just exposing both of you to temptations that need to be avoided.

Secondly, I bet he was sleeping. A lot of the time when people talk in their sleep, it comes out as a jumble of mumbles and "growls," simply because they are not conciously trying to project their voices to an audible level. Also, slapping someone on the arm wouldn't wake a lot of people up. I've been slapped in the face hard by a guy (this was during a camping trip) when I was sleeping and didn't wake up. All-in-all, people don't act like themselves when they're asleep because their not theirselves. On a neurological level, their thoughts and actions are being controlled by the mid-brain, which isn't something that a person can control. Thus, even if his sleeping behavior isn't something you like, you shouldn't get mad at him for it because it is something entirely beyond his control and something that he's likely to repeat in the future several times. I can pray for it, but I really don't see why since it appears that there's nothing wrong here. I'm not saying that it's bad for you to get upset or scared over this kind of thing, but I don't think it's worth getting angry over, y-know?

[bigsleepj]

Praying, Tammi.

[White Raven]

first off, you shouldn't be sleeping with your fiance until after your married. That needs to stop, even if there's no sex involved, because it's just exposing both of you to temptations that need to be avoided.

Secondly, I bet he was sleeping. A lot of the time when people talk in their sleep, it comes out as a jumble of mumbles and "growls," simply because they are not conciously trying to project their voices to an audible level. Also, slapping someone on the arm wouldn't wake a lot of people up. I've been slapped in the face hard by a guy (this was during a camping trip) when I was sleeping and didn't wake up. All-in-all, people don't act like themselves when they're asleep because their not theirselves. On a neurological level, their thoughts and actions are being controlled by the mid-brain, which isn't something that a person can control. Thus, even if his sleeping behavior isn't something you like, you shouldn't get mad at him for it because it is something entirely beyond his control and something that he's likely to repeat in the future several times. I can pray for it, but I really don't see why since it appears that there's nothing wrong here. I'm not saying that it's bad for you to get upset or scared over this kind of thing, but I don't think it's worth getting angry over, y-know?

I'm not mad at him.

[K. Ayato]

I agree with frwl. Even though the two of you are GONNA get married, now's not the time to be sharing a bed with him.

[Heart of Sword]

Firstly, you should not sleep with someone you aren't yet married to!

Anyway, I've been known to growl, snarl, cry, drool, and even gnaw on things when I'm sleeping. This is what my friends say, at least.

[Mave]

Alright.. enough w/ the sleeping thing, pls. First, let's not jump to conclusions. Secondly, there's no need to continuously repeat a point that most of us agree on. The off-topic point has been taken, pls take it up to PM if you feel a need to followup on it.

Back on the original intent of the prayer request, I'm not too sure what that growling could be. Sure, I talk in my sleep a lot and do strange things like sleepwalking etc.. But I'm a little weirded out by the fact that your dog was barking too. So, I think it's something we all need to pray about; may God give you peace if it's nothing at all and if it's something worth noting, I'll pray that God will give you guidance on it.

I know it's hard to do, but try not to give in to fear and to trust the Lord in this matter. You are always under His protection as God's Children and He will never leave you alone when confronted with any form of darkness. I'm assuming your fiance is Christian? We'll be praying for you! *hugs*

[Crosspunisher]

The bible teaches that if you are saved you can not be possessed because we are now children of God and not of Satan "Ephesians 2:1-3" then in Psalm 91 we are now his we are now under the loving protective hand of God who watches over us. It is a good passage to show us that he will protect us form ant and all that which we can't protect ourselves from.

If he is not saved then the Bible teaches that we are not to marry people who are lost in
2 Corinthians 6:14 :Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Srry for preaching at you I will pray for you and him.

[Hephzibah]

The bible teaches that if you are saved you can not be possessed because we are now children of God and not of Satan "Ephesians 2:1-3" then in Psalm 91 we are now his we are now under the loving protective hand of God who watches over us. It is a good passage to show us that he will protect us form ant and all that which we can't protect ourselves from.

I disagree that Christians cannot be "possessed" by a demon (btw, that verse is in relation to our own sinful nature). The thing is, we often misunderstand the concept of 'possession' to begin with. I read a book recently, titled "Deliver Us From Evil" (by Don Basham). It is about a pastor (real life story) who didn't believe that demons existed, let alone could influence ('possess') Christians. It is his story how God slowly revealed to him how demons ARE real, and that they CAN AND DO influence Christians.

However, since I have to run to uni I can't write anymore... if you want to have a discussion bout it PM me.

Btw, I will pray... hopefully its just him being a sleeptalker

[White Raven]

A big thanx to bigsleepj, Mave, Talame, for the thoughtful replys.

[SonicRose]

I agree on the first point - you shouldn't be sleeping with someone you aren't married too. Between the impression it gives and temptation; there is nowhere in the Bible where we should pray to be put into that or put ourselves in it for that matter.

I think your boyfriend will be fine... grumbles and snorting can be common in sleepers. Trust me, I thought my comp was having a nervous meltdown one time and it was just mom's snoring.

[Roll]

I realize that some people didn't merely address the topic you asked about, but their replies were thoughtful nonetheless, in that they thought enough of you to inform you where they feel you are placing a stumbling block in your path...which is what we are commanded to do for our brothers and sisters in Christ. It's easier to get mad at someone or ignore him or her when they say something you don't like to hear, but be thankful that there are people who care enough about you to offer guidance.

As for the growling, possession and influence are two different things. If he's a Christian, he wasn't possessed. It was most likely nothing to be concerned about on a spiritual level.

[Slater]

from the way you addressed this thread, you didn't like the first point that I gave out. Maybe you don't think it's the thread that needs to be addressed, but I'm confident that it is. You should not be sleeping with any man, for 3 reasons. 1. If you are having sex with him, you are blatently sinning. 2. Even if you are not, the temptation will be there, and that is unhealthy for you. In this case, you are sinning, because you are tempting the man who you are with to sin. Don't try to say otherwise, because you can't possibly understand how the male's mind works and how rediculously easy it is co cause us to lust after pretty much anything under the sun. 3. Sleeping with him is giving the wrong image to the world of what a christian should do. In today's world, sleeping with someone like that, even if sex isn't involved, is simply a door for all kinds of persecution to Christians. It is, in short, giving Christians a bad rap.

Numerous people have said this stuff already in this thread, and as we know from what it says in the Bible, when multiple people from God's Church tell someone that what they're doing is wrong, the person in question can chose to listen or follow God's way, or follow the highway. Do not ignore what has been said in this thread as doing so will be a hazard to your health (both spiritually AND physically). I'll be praying that you do the right thing.

[Hephzibah]

OI OI OI! Maties! The point has been mentioned, numerous times. I think it is best to either drop this, or move it to a PM discussion. While you may view it as a sin, it doesn't help having it repeated in every post.
As Mave said:

First, let's not jump to conclusions. Secondly, there's no need to continuously repeat a point that most of us agree on. The off-topic point has been taken, pls take it up to PM if you feel a need to followup on it.

Can I encourage you all, instead of constantly bring it up, to pray about it earnestly... Not many people have 'changed their ways' so to speak by being 'Bible-bashed'. It has to come from the Holy Spirit's prompting.

[Sammy Boy]

I think "ILoveArt" understands the "If you are not married you should not be sleeping together" point, since it has been mentioned four or five times.

It does not seem very gracious to keep bringing it up. Telling a person that he/she is wrong about the same thing four or five times is just overkill.

Once is enough ,so can we get off that particular point please? Thank you.

[Scribs]

people can grumble and growle in their sleep. It happens. You might even do it. And dogs bark. sometimes for no reason at all. I really doubt there is anything wrong with him as far as grumbling is concerned.

[Gypsy]

Thank you, Mave and Talame. I understand that the rest of you feel that it's important, but Mave already hit the nail on the head, and I'll post her quote her again:

There's no need to continuously repeat a point that most of us agree on.

To be nice: knock it off already. Any further posts on that nature will be edited to keep the thread on track. If this makes you upset or you have questions, please PM me and we'll talk from there.

ILoveArt, while I believe in spiritual oppression, I think if this was demonic it would show up in other places too, not just him growling in his sleep. I'm not saying you need to watch him from across the room to make sure demons don't materalize on his back, I just mean that if this is an instance of spiritual influence, it would be evident in ways other than growling while sleeping.

So, I'm inclined to say that this was probably just one of those freaky, isolated things. As for the dog barking, how well was your fiance growling? Animals, like people, are sometimes disoriented when they're waking up from a deep sleep, and it probably scared your dog just like it did you.

[White Raven]

Thank you!

[Ryupower]

Prayin.

No Devils! NO!

[Shao Feng-Li]

I say don't worry about it. The dog might of just been barking simply because Jeremy was growling.

I wish I had found this earlier, so I could'va given my two cents, but I agree with frwl.

(Heh, I've made a cat hiss before by just growling.)

[K. Ayato]

Maybe he was just dreaming. I myself have laughed, talked, or made an outburst in my sleep.

[~Natsumi Lam~]

I want to say first... be careful with with premarital you and fiancee thang because when you allow yourself to be put in a situation you are giving certain demonic forces rights to areas of your life. Now thats said, i would spend great time listening to God to get the answers, go to your pastor you trust and that you know hears from God. It might turn out only dreams, on the otherhand it might be more. I totally and wholly believe God has given me a gift of serious intercession over the demonic realms... i will keep the matter in prayer. But remember i cant pray out certain things you willfully let into your home. But i will pray Gods wisdom and presence and protection over your household [and pray among other things]!

~Natsumi Lam~