Ashley wrote:There's nothing wrong with desiring to take care of the earth and nature, etc. It's when you start placing more value on animals or plants than humanity that things get out of whack. Equal is a touchy place, but yeah...just keep it rather friendly and this thread can stay open. Otherwise it'll meet a tragically young death.
Yojimbo wrote:Also take into account that it's not just because people pollute. For example Los Angeles is in the middle of a basin, so smog tends to settle in there. Nothing you can do about that really thousands of people work in factories there and no one wants people to be unemployed. And no one wants to spend millions of dollars to bring super giant vacuum's to suck the smog out now.
And recycling it's a nice thing...but does it really do anything? I can't see how. Can, plastic, and paper companies are going to produce the same amount of everything recycled or not. They probably produce more even.
waffo_chick1 wrote:the debate is still on how much global warming effects us along with the ozone. It may not be a huge concern for many people but it is still debated on college campuses at whatnot. Um baby diapers? sounds like fun...
waffo_chick1 wrote:I also read that they have found fossolized palm trees in the North Pole, or somthing like that. I could be wrong about that though....
Kaligraphic wrote:We know that the Earth undergoes long-term climatic shifts - after all, a thousand years ago, Greenland was prime farming territory. (And I'm not talking cold-weather crops, either.)
AnimeHeretic wrote:South Pole (OK, I'll jump in occasionally). It looks like it was a tropical area once.
AnimeHeretic wrote:Well, Christian environmentalism is a different experience than mine, where the environmentalists I knew were self professed Earth worshippers, and rather insulting to whoever had questions...
Looks like this thread will be different than my expectations...
the_lizardqueen wrote:I have to admit that I have been mulling over the idea of starting a thread like this. But I've put it off due to fear of starting an out of control debate and being interpreted as a troll. I personally have a very strong interest in preserving the environment, I recycle what I can and I try to take transit or walk whenever it's possible. I'm always trying to find new ways to live in a more environmentally friendly way. It actually hurts me to see green spaces being trashed and I'm often discouraged by the fact that environmentalism and Christianity don't always seem to mesh. But I definitely can understand why many Christians would be turned off by the extreme environmentalists who value animals and the earth over humans (although I do believe in the humane treatment of animals, but I won't go there).
I personally feel that God has entrusted the earth and all of it's natural resources to us, to use wisely. We should be good stewards of what we've been given. Yes, we should certainly use the resources given to us for the benefit of mankind. But it doesn't seem entirely right for us to be using the resources to the extent that the planet is unable to keep up. Sometimes it just seems..unnatural..the way that modern human beings function. Right now, one of my pet peeves is packaging. Pretty much everything that we buy comes in several layers of packaging, most of which has to go in the garbage. Natural resources were used up in the process of creating the packaging, to produce an object of limited usefulness that will end up sitting in a landfill for goodness knows how long without biodegrading. Hmm, I don't know if that rant really had a point..sorry.
Anyways, I just wish modern humans could look at the big picture and see the benefits of reusing our resources and working with the enviroment, sorta more like the way that the natural world works. When a predator kills off all of it's prey, it tends to die off soon after, whereas humans often simply move on to the next option. And it seems such a shame to be needlessly destroying the awesome creation that God has crafted (although the creator is definitely far more important that the creation). By preserving what we have, we're benefitting the future generations. Yes, one could argue that the rapture would make the preservation of nature a moot point. But it could very well be numerous centuries off, or tomorrow, maybe it's better to be safe than sorry and perhaps we should plan for the possible future . I guess in the end, being a Christian environmentalist is a matter of priorities and coming at it from the right perspective.
I have to admit, I have yet to do the serious research and find the facts to back up my standpoint. At this point, I guess I'm speaking from the heart. I do wish though that everyone would make some practical baby steps towards helping our environment, by recycling a pop can, or walking several blocks to the store instead of driving. But I'm pretty much repeating what's already been said numerous times, aren't I?
Hoshika wrote:Good grief, at least you can take pop bottles back to the store where I live! Man, what a waist. I totally understand how you feel. The trash wear I live just gets burned. They have filters and everything on the smoke stacks so it's rather clean and the have the junk on a belt with the giant magnets to pick out the metal stuff so it can be recylced. ( I know cuz I visited the place too many times and actually found myself amoungst the mountains of garbage that was to be burned.... and man! It stinks like nothing else!)
Volt wrote:I THREW away 20+ pounds of plastic bottles (over 300 bottles) becasue i could NOT find anywhere to recycle them. I kept them in a huge black industrial sized garbage bag in my living room for 4 months.
People need to start passing recycling bills, I LOVE recycling, but Not when I can't find a freaken place to drop that shnuff off.
i made a new word... shnuff.. heheh.
AnimeHeretic wrote:Out in CA, they don't have deposits like that where you can return to the store. We have a CRV (California Redemption Value-- I think). But since you have to find a recycling center to take them back to, it winds up being nothing more than an annoying tax and the cans/bottles more often than not wind up getting tossed.
I don't have a problem with recycling in theory, but out here they make it so inconvenient to do so that many people just pitch stuff in the trash...
Out here, I think trash burning is not legal. Landfills are the major issue.
Hoshika wrote:Ah, so that's how it works.... that sucks.
Actually burning trash is not legal where I live. For instance you can't burn trash in you yard or anywhere else (thank God), but you can toss in the can for weekly pick up to be burned in the incinerator. That's good. They have filters and stuff to keep things clean so... LET IT BURN!
Hoshika wrote:AH, it sounds like where you live if someone accidently spilled their soda on the street they'd get hung up. o_o that's kinda scary.
Nuclear power? :/
It would be cool if the stuff wasn't toxic or if the chance of a melt-down was 0% cause if the nuclear plant blows up it can take a whole city or two with it and other places are more self contained and at worst there is a slim chance of a block getting burned down. Seeing how people can do make mistakes (or at the worst just be utterly neglectful) I would be kind of concerned if I lived near a nuclear plant, perhaps more like paranoid there would be another Chernobyl insodent:
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry?id=9814
AnimeHeretic wrote:With Cherynobyl, it was a case of gross negligence, not an accident as I recall.
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