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Postby Jasdero » Tue May 24, 2005 7:14 pm

Volt wrote:Why keep trying, keep working, when the benefits and pay are so little, or none.

So that you will know that you're doing your best. Perhaps you're not as successful as you would like to be, but at least you're trying! That alone is admirable, and don't consider just losing hope. I can't say "it'll be better later on," because I don't know that. However, I do know that by simply working your hardest you're far ahead of those who have just given up.
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Postby Mave » Tue May 24, 2005 7:26 pm

Volt, I will never completely understand your pain and distress but I'll speak from my darkest moments in life.

We will experience some form of difficulties at varying levels of intensities at ALL times of our lives. Since we can't change our circumstances, we can choose to change the way we react towards it. Your crappiest times forces you to praise God and have faith while you're tempted to get mad at everything, or hate yourself and shy away from Him. You may feel like a crappy Christian but let's face it, I'm no better than you. God doesn't hate you so why hate yourself?

Pride was the sole reason of my misery. I measured my success on the basis of how my professors think of me, how well I do in my classes, how financially stable I am, how heavy I weigh and how I measure up with my other friends/colleagues in my resume. I refused to accept the fact that I'm incompetent, useless and dumb while the Truth is we all are NOTHING before God. I was forced to depend on God rather than anything else to survive in life. So, it may help to ask yourself: Do you have fleshly pride, which must be destroyed before it consumes you?

My darkest moments have come to pass and I am left now, with a stronger faith and more humble heart. My emotional scars and bad memories are currently healing but I know that my darkest moments are also my most blessed moments in my life. I know that this spiritual strength I've attained through God will lift other ppl during their tough times and lead me to do greater things as God desired. It's fine if you don't believe me now but stick around and you'll see.

Pls allow us to encourage you, love you and pray for you. It's our duty and purpose to carry your burden in any opportunity that is made available to us.

God has a plan for you whether you like to believe it or not. Your feelings will not change the Truth. Embrace His Word, let the trouble come and let yourself be made weak so that you will understand how strong God is.

If my words don't mean much to you, I apologize. This is the best thing I could muster up but do know that I sincerely mean well for you. :)
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Postby Alice » Tue May 24, 2005 8:36 pm

You know, I thought I had so much more to say about all this, but now none of it seems worth saying. :(

I'm just posting to let everyone who's depressed know I'm praying for, and thinking about them.
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Postby kaji » Wed May 25, 2005 6:28 am

Volt wrote:-Realized how much I need God, and how week I am without him
-I use to say "I am nothing without God, no-body" but now i can actually proove it, and feel it
-All this thinking has really changed my mental outlook on life, a deeper way of seeing things
-My depression has allowed me to be in the shoes of one of the characters I was working on. Thus making the script a lot more deep and spiritual.
-new goals have been added to my life, replacing the old ones

I don't want to be too sudden, I beleive in slow rehibilitation, if you recover from something too fast, you won't learn anything, or grow stronger. So for now I'd rather just keep my mind blank and feel like crap until I get better naturally.
If you have honestly learned all those things (specifically your need for God in all situations in your life), how then can you still deliberately sit around and feel sorry for your self?

rai wrote: Allow me to make a statement in Volt's defense. I believe what he means (at least this is what I think) is that hearing of someone going through worse makes one realize that yes, things could be worse, and knowing that you haven't hit absolute rock bottom is of some solace. Not in a "Feh, sucks to be them" kind of way, but a realizing that since people are dealing with worse, you can handle what you're dealing with.
Unfortunately, I do not think that Volts true motive here is to motivate people. However, if this were true, then allow me to encourage every one who thinks they have it rough…
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Wed May 25, 2005 8:23 am

Volt wrote:hard work means nothing. A poor family working on a farm can work themselves to death and still be poor, while a rich man can simply sit back and get richer by the hour.


But whos happier in the end? The poor family, who has their dignity and working an honest days work... or some rich fat guy eating nachos and sipping iced tea....
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Postby Felix » Wed May 25, 2005 9:22 am

MSP has an excellent point there. You think the fat lazy guy who sat around his whole life is going to be respected or remembered more in the end then the poor family who worked for what was respectable and what was right...even if they didn't see the results here on earth...their preserverence for what was right eventually paid off.
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Postby kaji » Wed May 25, 2005 9:57 am

Proverbs 10:4 He who has a slack hand becomes poor, but the hand of the diligent makes rich.

Proverbs 13:4 The soul of a lazy man desires, and has nothing;but the soul of the diligent shall be made rich.

Even more so, the parable of the Talents in Matt 25: "29For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." For if Christ has given you some or much and you still do nothing profitable for God with it, then it will be taken from you.

So, the man who labors hard with what little he has been blessed with will be glorified in the end, where the other will be cast out of Gods presence.

-kaji
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I remember that one fateful day when Coach took me aside. I knew what was coming. "You don't have to tell me," I said. "I'm off the team, aren't I?" "Well," said Coach, "you never were really ON the team. You made that uniform you're wearing out of rags and towels, and your helmet is a toy space helmet. You show up at practice and then either steal the ball and make us chase you to get it back, or you try to tackle people at inappropriate times." It was all true what he was saying. And yet, I thought something is brewing inside the head of this Coach. He sees something in me, some kind of raw talent that he can mold. But that's when I felt the handcuffs go on.
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Postby Fsiphskilm » Thu May 26, 2005 7:20 am

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Postby Felix » Thu May 26, 2005 7:28 am

I'm sorry if I offended you Volt..I thought we were talking figuratively..and my only experience with this world, having been in Nicaragua more times then I can count, in with the poorest of villages, and all I know is that those poor people who work all day and even all night sometimes and never see profit...I don't know about you Volt, but I DO know that they are the happiest and friendliest people I've ever met. You could never find greater joy amongs poverty.
And I've never met them...but I don't have much faith that the Paris twins are either happy, or friendly.
So maybe not from your experience, but from mine, I'd much heck rather have the joy that these people have then the shallow joy money and profit would give me. *shrugs* Well...I'm glad your feeling better, man. Sorry my advice couldn't help.
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Postby Fsiphskilm » Thu May 26, 2005 4:52 pm

no no, I'm sor
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Postby Mave » Thu May 26, 2005 5:33 pm

Despite our lousy skillz of expressing our points (hehe), just know that we care for you, Volt. *nods nods*

I do hope your pain below your abdomen (?) isn't what I'm worried about --> appendicitis. I still think you ought to check it up but dangit, I'm all the way in the north and stuck with an upcoming final oral examination. I'm praying for you coz that's the best I can do for you.
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Postby Technomancer » Thu May 26, 2005 5:45 pm

Volt wrote:Where do you guys live?!

The Only rich fat people I know of are Mafia bossess. If they were rich they'd have $$$ for surgury and be nice and thin. Your stereotypes are all wrong.


Oh, I don't know. A good deal of them have a healthy paunch, God knows how much they've spent getting themselves into that shape in the first place. Why go and ruin it with surgery and dieting? ]
Hard Work = The lottery.
You might get rewarded, you might not. Lots of people work hard (i'm not talking about working honestly and morally good) but they work hard and still achieve very little.
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This is very true, but they still can work to afford a better life for their children. My grandfather for example was a logger, and my dad spent the first few years of his life in a logging camp in the backwoods of B.C. His family had very little money. However, he was still able to go to university, get a Master's degree and get a good job designing control systems for nuclear plants. Good enough anyways, to ensure that all of his children could achieve higher education as well

You guys to need to talk to people more, or watch some TV documentaries on other people's lives, especially Mexicans who work their butts off trying to support a family back home, last time I checked, Its not everyday you see mexican businessmen with an easy going lifestyle. Or the chinese(not all of course), who work in rice feilds all day, die in the same house they were born in, their grandfather was born in, even their great great grandfather was born in.


Absolutely, and hopefully people will broaden their perspectives about what life is like for others and understand things better. Hopefully, this understanding will translate into a more just society.

I've been to Europe, to the slums, places that look like 3rd world Countries, gone to school with kids that are from the straight up ghetto. I call them, the working poor, because even though they're working insane shifts and trying to make it, they are still poor.


And there's plenty of poverty in North American too.

PS. I expect your abdominal pain is stress (it happens to me too on occaision), which is quite understandable given your current troubles.
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Postby Felix » Thu May 26, 2005 7:49 pm

Volt wrote:no no, I'm sorry if I offended you guys, i didn't mean to all "I know everything, you are wrong"

And now that you mension it, I agree that poor people among poor can be happy, they don't expect much, while rich people constantly have these great expectations and crave more and more.

ah, no. you didn't offend me a bit. And I see your point as well! But as in most things there's a second side to every story. Thanks for listening
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Postby Yahshua » Thu May 26, 2005 10:01 pm

May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of Heavenly Father, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit always be with you Volt always and forevermoe.
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