Best Final Fantasy villain

[Tommy]

If that was true then all systems would be like NES but have a story.
i`m sure Asteroids and PacMan will tell you how deep their storyline was.
Stories are tge least important aside from RPGS.

Graphics and Gameplay. Graphics and Gameplay.

[Nate]

If that was true then all systems would be like NES but have a story.
i`m sure Asteroids and PacMan will tell you how deep their storyline was.
Stories are tge least important aside from RPGS.

Graphics and Gameplay. Graphics and Gameplay.

*rolls eyes*

It's irritating how spoiled the gamers of this generation are, ne?

You're probably the only person who thinks graphics are more important than storyline, dude. Trust me on this. You talk about Asteroids and Pac-Man, but you know what? Those were ARCADE games. They were meant to gobble quarters. Gobbling quarters doesn't require a storyline, just a quick, addictive fix.

Would you pay sixty bucks for a copy of Pac-Man? No, of course not. It's not worth that much. But it's worth 25 cents, right? It's fun, and besides, it's an arcade game. How long are you going to play it? Maybe ten minutes? Not like a game you're going to own for the rest of your life (unless you trade it in). If you have a game with no storyline, you're not going to be driven to play it for very long. You may play it occasionally just to do something quick and addictive for a few minutes, but you're not going to sit there and play it for hours. Why? You have no motivation. You have no drive. There's no STORY.

Let me put it this way:

If they rereleased Pac-Man for Xbox, with Xbox graphics, but it was exactly the same except for the fact that it had Xbox graphics, it would have graphics and gameplay.

Would you buy it instead of another game?

[Tommy]

*rolls eyes*

It's irritating how spoiled the gamers of this generation are, ne?

You're probably the only person who thinks graphics are more important than storyline, dude. Trust me on this. You talk about Asteroids and Pac-Man, but you know what? Those were ARCADE games. They were meant to gobble quarters. Gobbling quarters doesn't require a storyline, just a quick, addictive fix.

Would you pay sixty bucks for a copy of Pac-Man? No, of course not. It's not worth that much. But it's worth 25 cents, right? It's fun, and besides, it's an arcade game. How long are you going to play it? Maybe ten minutes? Not like a game you're going to own for the rest of your life (unless you trade it in). If you have a game with no storyline, you're not going to be driven to play it for very long. You may play it occasionally just to do something quick and addictive for a few minutes, but you're not going to sit there and play it for hours. Why? You have no motivation. You have no drive. There's no STORY.

Let me put it this way:

If they rereleased Pac-Man for Xbox, with Xbox graphics, but it was exactly the same except for the fact that it had Xbox graphics, it would have graphics and gameplay.

Would you buy it instead of another game?

Aside from RPGs is what I said. Besides that, stories don`t matter that much.

But graphics are a good plus.

[CDLviking]

Well, we're talking about RPGs here, so let's put that line of that to the side and get back on track.

[uc pseudonym]

In case that doesn't carry enough weight, I'll add something officially: please do focus upon the original topic of this thread and leave this discussion behind. The previous discussion is a legitimate one, but remember to stay civil.

I've known quite a few people with white hair who aren't elderly. Some people just have white hair.

Grey hair is caused by old age, but white hair is actually a seperate factor that isn't necessarily linked to age. I always considered his hair silver in any case, putting it wholly in the realm of fantasy.

[Myoti]

I've known quite a few people with white hair who aren't elderly. Some people just have white hair.

In FFTA, the girl (can't remember her hair) had white hair, but she dyed it pink to hide the true color.
I also thought Sephy's hair was more silver, not white.

Question: How old is Sephiroth, really? From what I've looked at, he couldn't be much more than, what, ten? It seems the Jenova cells would have caused super aging or something.
I mean, look at it like this. In the game, Vincent was about 27. When he was in the Turks, he was in love with Lucretia and believed Shepiroth was his baby. At that, Vincent may have been around 17 or so. not alot of time for Sephy to grow.
I always thought this was a bit strange and seems to add more mystery to Sephiroth.

[Tommy]

Seph was 27 as well.

[Myoti]

Seph was 27 as well.

How? In the manual, it states that Sephiroth's age is unkown and, like I said, Vincent is 27 in the game and remembers when Lucretia was pregnant with Sephy. Plus, Vincent believed Sephy was his son. Therefore, unless Sephiroth got caught in some wierd time and space fracture, he cannot be much older then 10, just aged by Jenova cells.

[Tommy]

Um Vincent like died at 27 and became immortal or something like that. Basicaaly he stayed 27.

[Nate]

It is widely believed by some people that Vincent is indeed Sephiroth's father. I don't subscribe to that opinion, but anyway...

It's been a while since I played 7, but from what I remember, Vincent had slept in the coffin for thirty years. He "died" when he was experimented upon, like Tom said, forever freezing him at 27.

That means that since Lucrecia was pregnant with Sephiroth while Vincent was still alive, Sephiroth would be around thirty, give or take.

*NOTE* I'm not EXACTLY sure on the time given for Vincent's sleep, but at least two sites I visited stated it was thirty years. At any rate, this is how I see it...

Aeris is 20. Tseng of the Turks was looking for her since she escaped Hojo's clutches as a child. Tseng never knew Vincent. That means it has been over twenty years since Vincent was active as a Turk. Since Vincent obviously was not 7 when he was a member, that means he must be much older than 27. However, since he is 27, that means his aging must have been frozen somehow...through the experiment. And Lucrecia was pregnant with Sephiroth when Vincent was experimented on. So Sephiroth is at LEAST twenty.

[Tommy]

Aeris was 22. I remember reading it on the official website not a fanmade one.
She was a year older than Cloud.

[Myoti]

It is widely believed by some people that Vincent is indeed Sephiroth's father. I don't subscribe to that opinion, but anyway...

It's been a while since I played 7, but from what I remember, Vincent had slept in the coffin for thirty years. He "died" when he was experimented upon, like Tom said, forever freezing him at 27.

That means that since Lucrecia was pregnant with Sephiroth while Vincent was still alive, Sephiroth would be around thirty, give or take.

*NOTE* I'm not EXACTLY sure on the time given for Vincent's sleep, but at least two sites I visited stated it was thirty years. At any rate, this is how I see it...

Aeris is 20. Tseng of the Turks was looking for her since she escaped Hojo's clutches as a child. Tseng never knew Vincent. That means it has been over twenty years since Vincent was active as a Turk. Since Vincent obviously was not 7 when he was a member, that means he must be much older than 27. However, since he is 27, that means his aging must have been frozen somehow...through the experiment. And Lucrecia was pregnant with Sephiroth when Vincent was experimented on. So Sephiroth is at LEAST twenty.

Ahhh, that makes more sense now.

I've heard some say Vincent is Sephiroth's father, but by the game it tells that Hojo is. What about that?

Wait, this isn't getting to far off subject, is it?

[Nate]

Ahhh, that makes more sense now.

I've heard some say Vincent is Sephiroth's father, but by the game it tells that Hojo is. What about that?

Wait, this isn't getting to far off subject, is it?

I hope not. RoyalWing is the one who brought it to my attention. Mostly, it's a bunch of heresay and conjecture...you have to assume things the game never explicitly says. For example, Lucrecia and Vincent were, um, "involved" at the time, so if Lucrecia was with two men, isn't it possible that either one could be the father?

The second bit comes from the fact that Vincent and Sephiroth look similar, moreso than Sephiroth and Hojo, at least. This isn't a valid point, IMO. All the female characters in Sailor Moon would look alike if they had identical hairstyles. To me, the fact that Vincent and Sephiroth look similar is merely the character designer's drawing style, nothing more.

The third comes from when you face Hojo on the Sister Ray in Midgar. Hojo states, "Sephiroth is my son." If Vincent is in your party, his dialogue consists mainly of "...!"

That is taken by some people to be an expression of surprise. But Vincent knew Hojo and Lucrecia were dating, and she was pregnant. Why would he be surprised by this statement? Unless Vincent thought that he was the father, and Hojo's claim made him shocked.

Finally, before descending to the depths of the crater, Vincent asks if he is about to commit another sin. Some people take this to mean that he feels guilty that he is about to kill his son.

Like I said, to me, it's all heresay and conjecture, and cannot be proven either way. But Hojo says he's Sephiroth's father, and honestly, that's good enough for me, I see no reason to argue.

[Tommy]

Reall, i thought she was pregnant with Sephiroth due to Vincent and then Hojo used her as Jenova while pregnant with Seph. I though Hojo was just the father because he made him the way he was not his biological father.

[Myoti]

I believe Square-Enix is purposely making confusing plotlines to make us think about so much that our brains explode. That's it! I'm never playing another FF game again! Never! I know the tricks, they're all a bunch of--
OOOH! FFXII!! Pretty...

[CDLviking]

Hmmm... I wonder how cool the FFXII villain is going to be. I have high hopes since it seems to be somewhat based on FF Tactics. Check this out.

[Tommy]

So by any chance is he the villian?

[uc pseudonym]

I believe the villain would have a less traditional character design, but that is merely my impression.

[Tommy]

So this is the world of FFTactics in the future. Right?

[Debitt]

I doubt it. I'd much sooner equate it to the world of FFTA (judging from the screenshots I've seen, the different races from FFTA are present in this game), though from all I know, it's simply based off those two games.

[Tommy]

Isn`t TacticsAdvance and Tactics in the same world, just different time zones?

And all I know is the place is called Ivalice.....

[Myoti]

FFXII seems to be based off FF Tactics Advance, and as far as I know, no, FFT is not in the same world. I haven't actually played the PS one, but I know that FFTA is based in an alternate world of our own and has no connection with the world in FFT.

But yes, it's cool to be seeing all those Bangaa, Viera, and Moogles in FFXII, but what happened to that other race from FFTA? (Can't remember thier name, the kinda sloth ones that use magic)

[Tommy]

Do you recommend Golden Sun or FFTA for the GBA? I feel like using my GBA again.

[uc pseudonym]

I would recommend Golden Sun. The plot isn't on the highest tier, and the noise text makes is quite annoying, but other than that the game is simply enjoyable. It has a few moderately original features as well.

Tactics Advance I have only briefly played; if you liked Tactics I imagine you would like this one as well.

[gameoverblue]

I doubt the villain will beat sephiroth, but maybe...

[Nate]

Well, uc, a lot of people who liked Tactics didn't like Tactics Advance. I don't know why. I liked it just fine. Granted, the storyline was a blatant ripoff of "The Neverending Story," but it was still a decent storyline. My only two complaint is that it was too difficult to get mythril weapons (you had to earn them as a prize from random battles), and I would've rather seen the Job Point system than the ability learning system from FF9. Other than that, I enjoyed it.

Golden Sun and Golden Sun II are VERY good games. I highly recommend them to everyone, though as uc said, the text noise is irritating. Also, the main character is a silent protaganist...SORT OF.

In Golden Sun, the main character, Isaac, never spoke, but his rival (Felix) did. In Golden Sun II, however, you control Felix, who seems to have lost his voice inexplicably...given to Isaac, no doubt, since Isaac talks up a storm in the sequel (making up for lost time, I suppose).

Not really a big issue, but some sort of continuity would've been nice. Silent protaganists were common back in the day, but still...

The different psyenergy features you use outside of battle to solve puzzles were also really fun. Highly recommended.

Anyway...

Yes, the kingdom in the original Tactics was called Ivalice, and the world in Tactics Advance is called Ivalice, but I don't think they're the same place. There's a town in West Virginia called Charleston, but it isn't the same city as the Charleston in South Carolina. So just because they have the same name doesn't make them the same place.

[Myoti]

Do you recommend Golden Sun or FFTA for the GBA? I feel like using my GBA again.

I played Golden Sun once and thought it was OK. WIth FFTA, you'd need to really like tactic games and have a lot fo time on your hands. I got bored with it after awhile, but that's just cause tactical games aren't my favorite anymore. XP

Wait, isn't this topic about villians?

[sanosuke_495]

golden sun, much better choice. tactics wasnt all that entertaining. anyways back to villains. I like sephiroth the most but i also like seymour just cause his hair is sweet.

[uc pseudonym]

Having just finished FFX, I feel that Yu Yevon deserves an honorable mention for making you sit through possession animations for every single aeon.

[Tommy]

Uc, I`d expect your fave to be Seph. It`s just a wild guess....

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