4th TRIFORCE: It must exist

[starwarsboy90]

You can suppose so, bu what if as a child, Link or Tetra heard of stories about horses and so on, creating a new Hyrule with all those new things ( to them anyways) wouldn't be too hard, considering...

[Linksquest]

creating a new Hyrule with all those new things

o_O! How do you create a horse?!?!?!?!?!? There are none.... They all (like i said supposedly cause they arent in WW) died in the flood...

[starwarsboy90]

but just think out of th box. Real or imagined. A New Hyrule, how do you suppose they will create a new world huh? Memories of stories of old or just their memories. If stories of old, then horses and ect, drawings of them could still exist, you don't know. Think of the possibilities!

[Linksquest]

The Legend Of Horse: Macareena Of Grime!

Rofl

[starwarsboy90]

lol. My point is, the next up coming game will be awesome!

[Linksquest]

lol. My point is, the next up coming game will be awesome!

Yes indeedy! If the game takes place in a whole other universe the possibilites are endless!!! I think where this game will take place will either be one of two things:

a) after OoT and MM
b) the prquel to LoZ because there was a "great war" before it took place and in the trailers a LOT of bad dudes are comen on the horizon. Can anyone say Killa Gremlin Legions!!?!?!?!?



The possibilties ARE endless... i mean... Link fights a goron!!! HOW COOL IS THAT?!?!?! And KILLA GOHMA is all Chasen him up a cave!!!

XDDD

Im sooo gonna spend my summer on this one!!!!!!

[uc pseudonym]

I do think this game should be quite interesting. I'm certain it will follow the classic dungeon format, but if it broke from it even slightly (such as full-scale battles, general warfare or varied dungeons) I would be impressed. The Zelda series has been good so far, but this change in formula would be an improvement, in my opinion.

[starwarsboy90]

a very good inprovement in my mind as well.

[Tommy]

I just can`t wait for this new game.

I know absolutely nothing about all these Zelda games.

The only ones i`ve ever played and liked are:
Ocarina of Time
Oracle of Ages
Windwaker
The original

And I haven`t beaten any of them. So, I was wanna see how good this game will be. I hope they have dungeons and battles.

[Linksquest]

I just can`t wait for this new game.

I know absolutely nothing about all these Zelda games.

The only ones i`ve ever played and liked are:
Ocarina of Time
Oracle of Ages
Windwaker
The original

And I haven`t beaten any of them. So, I was wanna see how good this game will be. I hope they have dungeons and battles.

Tom... dungeons and battles are like.... standard in all RPG's ... aren't they?!?!?!?!? <<;;;; yes! Tp will have them!

[Linksquest]

On the 4th Triforce
Italicized info from wikipedia.com
The Triforce: In the fictional world of the Legend of Zelda series of video games, the Triforce (sometimes called "The Golden Power" or "The Golden Triforce") is a holy relic created by three goddesses. The Triforce consists of three separate parts, each referred to also as a Triforce: the Triforce of Power, associated with red(fire) and the goddess Din; the Triforce of Wisdom, associated with blue(water) and the goddess Nayru; and the Triforce of Courage, associated with green(forest) and the goddess Farore.
The shape of the Triforce is based on the mon of the Hojo clan in Japan, which claims that the three triangles represent the three scales of a Shinto dragon.
History

According to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, the earliest game chronologically, Hylian myth states that the Triforce was bestowed upon the world by the three goddesses Din, Nayru, and Farore. The Triforce was created when the goddesses left the realm of Hyrule at the exact point where they left; it houses the essence of the goddesses and it is the ultimate representation of all power, wisdom, courage and magic in Hyrule. The Triforce was guarded in the Temple of Light in a land parallel and reflective of the "normal" Hyrule, known as the Golden Land or Sacred Realm. It has been a subject of dispute whether or not the Triforce is an inanimate object that cannot distinguish good from evil, or if it is a living entity, as depicted in the end of A Link to the Past.
Ganondorf, a Gerudo thief and the sole male of the tribe at the time, heard of the legend of the Triforce and lusted after its power, primarily as a tool to subjugate the kingdom of Hyrule and expand his influence. Inadvertently aided by a young hero known as Link and the Hylian princess Zelda, Ganondorf found his way into the Sacred Realm. Ganondorf did not know that to claim the Triforce, one must have the three facets of the Triforce - power, wisdom, and courage - in perfect alignment. Ganondorf valued power far more than wisdom or courage, so he could only claim the Triforce of Power. The other two Triforces split off; the Triforce of Courage merged with Link and the Triforce of Wisdom merged with Zelda. They were chosen to house the Triforces because they represented courage and wisdom more than any other. Each of the three received the mark of the Triforce on the back of one hand.
Ganondorf, after becoming Ganon, was defeated and the power of the seven Hylian Sages, including Zelda, was used to seal him in the Sacred Realm along with the Triforce of Power. Link and Zelda retained their Triforces.
The Wind Waker involves Link collecting a Triforce that has been split into eight fragments.
Power
In both A Link to the Past and The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, it was revealed that one who touches the Triforce has all of their wishes come true; the Triforce reflects the heart of the one who touches it, whether good or evil. In A Link to the Past, Ganon exploited this power to corrupt The Golden Land, turning it into the Dark World, a realm of dark skies and evil creatures. In The Wind Waker, the king of Hyrule, Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule, touches the Triforce and wishes for Link and Zelda to have hope in defeating Ganondorf.
The Triforce is referred to as the "Golden Power" in The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past and could have something to do with the "Light Force" mentioned in The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap.

Through recent years many fans of the Legend of Zelda games have begun to conjecture that their may be, perhapes, a fourth Triforce piece. Skeptics say that the only reason why fans would think this is because there is a hole in the middle of the Triforce, and that there is no evidence in supporting its existence.

Never has it been said outright that there exists a fourth triforce piece, but it is apparent that throughout The Legend of Zelda games there exists evidence, or clues, pointing to a conclusion that can only be that the fourth triforce piece does exist, and that it has a name.

Allusions to 4:

Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures

Obviously the title alone alludes to the number four, but the Links themselves prove to be more symbolic than that. If the 4 Links had been random colors such as orange, gray, and hot pink, then there would not seemingly be a connection to the other Zelda games, nor into the lore of the games. The fact of the matter is that the 4 Links are Red, Blue, Green and Purple. Red for Power, Blue for Wisdom, Green for Courage. What is Purple for?

Majora’s Mask

There are Four Temples, as well as four giants which prevent the moon from decimating Termina.

Windwaker

Tetra: the name of the pirate girl who you later learn is Zelda in disguise. Tetra means four.



The Fourth Triforce: “The Triforce of Shadow.â€

[Nate]

Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures

Obviously the title alone alludes to the number four, but the Links themselves prove to be more symbolic than that. If the 4 Links had been random colors such as orange, gray, and hot pink, then there would not seemingly be a connection to the other Zelda games, nor into the lore of the games. The fact of the matter is that the 4 Links are Red, Blue, Green and Purple. Red for Power, Blue for Wisdom, Green for Courage. What is Purple for?

There were four Links because there are four controller spots on the Gamecube. If there had been five controller spots, then the game probably would've been called Five Swords Adventures. So the fact that there are four Links means nothing.

Majora’s Mask

There are Four Temples, as well as four giants which prevent the moon from decimating Termina.

Mainly because there are only three mask forms Link takes: Deku, Goron, Zora. One dungeon for the three masks, and a fourth dungeon for Link himself. If there had been a fourth mask form, there probably would've been five dungeons. Again, it means nothing.

Windwaker

Tetra: the name of the pirate girl who you later learn is Zelda in disguise. Tetra means four.

I give you credit for this one (though Tetra is also a species of fish).

- In Ocarina of time you also come into contact with Shadow Link, a dark image of yourself.

Shadow Link was the final boss of Zelda II for NES.

- Ganondorf’s power when he attacks you just before making chases after Zelda, just also happens to be the color purple.

Mewtwo's Shadow Ball attack in Super Smash Bros. is also purple. Gengar, the ghost Pokemon is purple. Purple is just easier to use than black (otherwise you couldn't draw any details). Hardly solid evidence.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

Mainly because there are only three mask forms Link takes: Deku, Goron, Zora. One dungeon for the three masks, and a fourth dungeon for Link himself. If there had been a fourth mask form, there probably would've been five dungeons. Again, it means nothing.

Maybe the Giant's mask or fierce diety's mask?

something I got from a website. So it is not my writing

[quote="http://www.angelfire.com/games/link40/fourthgoddesstheory.html"]The Fourth Goddess and The Tetraforce
Legend in the lands of Hyrule tells of the Triforce, and how it governs not only the power of the three ancient Goddesses (Din, Nayru and Farore), but the gate to the realm to which they departed, after forming the cosmos and all that is in them.

However, other legends tell of another Goddess, lost to the mists of Time. The legends tell not her role in the birth of the cosmos, or even if she held one, but there are those who believe that even with the Triforce, one cannot hold complete power. It is said that only by claiming the power of the Goddess of Time can a new God be born.
Legends have long held that only three Goddesses create the world, and that when in balance, their powers were unstoppable. These same legends tell of the Triforce, and its three facets: Strength of Body, Strength of Mind, and Strength of Spirit -- Power, Wisdom, and Courage.

There have been clues that have been out since the first Zelda game . There have been symbols, designs on people’s clothes, things hanging from walls, even directly chizzled into the wall of the Spirit Temple. These pictures are of eyes, staring deeply, maybe signifying that there is more that meets the eye.

The biggest clue of the fourth goddesses existence, is on Majora’s Mask. When Link first receives the Ocarina of Time, Zelda speaks to him through a memory. She specifically states that the Goddess of Time is watching over you. That is a great clue, because she says it directly. Another great clue is the eye symbolism spoken about above. Anytime you see the eye, it has something to do with time. Like the Spirit Temple, for an example. In order to be able to defeat the Spirit Temple you have to time travel as a kid and then adult to beat it. There is a room in the spirit temple where a poster, of what looks a lot like Vaati, is on the wall with an eye. Also, the Gossip Stones have the eye on them, what do they do when you hit them? They tell you the time. The Mask of Truth has the eye on it. This mask allowed you to see things you are not normally able to see. This suggests that the Goddess of Time can talk directly to people’s minds, thus talk telepathically. When wearing the Mask of Truth, the Gossip Stone’s quote: “It’s one eyed gaze pierces into your mind.â€

[Mr. SmartyPants]

[quote="continued"]Having a theory about the fourth goddess being the Goddess of Time, and a fourth piece that has yet to be named, we can just safely assume that the fourth piece is the Triforce of Time. I even looked farther back into this and found some interesting things. On the older designs for the Hylian Shield, it had the Triforce and two other triangles. So I would safely assume that at one point the Triforce of Time was split into two pieces for a reason.

Now every Triforce piece has a color. Triforce of Power is red, Triforce of Wisdom is blue, and the Triforce of Courage is green. You are probably asking, “If the Tetra force is real, than what color is it?â€

[uc pseudonym]

It is all so clear now! Nintendo has been hinting at a Fourth Triforce the entire series, just as they have been making games within a single, coherent storyline!

I'm sorry if my sarcasm offends anyone, but I assume you understand my point. There is immense controversy over the chronology of the Zelda series, primarily because there have been numerous claims and hints, some of them possibly contradictory. In my mind it is fairly obvious that Nintendo continues to make sequels because the series is popular and has nothing overarching in mind. To think they have been planning something so elaborate has little credibility to me.

[meboeck]

If Nintendo ever does add a fourth Triforce, it will probably be because of all the fan speculation and the popularity of the theory. In any case, we still know very little about what the next game will or will not include.

[Nate]

In my mind it is fairly obvious that Nintendo continues to make sequels because the series is popular and has nothing overarching in mind.

This is the most intelligent post I've seen all day.

The Zelda series has NEVER had a single storyline. I posted about this in another thread...that you need at least three separate universes for the games to fit in. The ONLY games that are linked are the ones that are explicitly stated to be linked, meaning Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker (and to a lesser extent, Link to the Past and I/II).

In The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, go to where you get your bottle under the bridge in the Light World. Before the bridge there is a shallow spot of water that is in the shape of a triangle. If you go to the exact same spot in the Dark World, there is a formation of rocks in another triangle formation, signifying two pieces.

YES! Random landscaping and dungeon dressing PROVES that there is a fourth Triforce piece!

Wow, there goes my sarcasm quota for the day. That's the most ridiculous, contrived argument I've ever seen.

I think the fourth Triforce piece HAS to be the Triforce of Zora! The Zoras have been in every game! Also, in Oracle of Ages, there are three Zora guards standing around the King, signifying the Triforce! And Jabu-Jabu is the god of the Zora, and since it takes a god to make a Triforce piece, he must be the deity in charge of the fourth piece!

...see how utterly ridiculous that sounds?

[uc pseudonym]

This is the most intelligent post I've seen all day.

Thank you.

The ONLY games that are linked are the ones that are explicitly stated to be linked, meaning Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker (and to a lesser extent, Link to the Past and I/II).

I very much agree with this statement]I think the fourth Triforce piece HAS to be the Triforce of Zora! The Zoras have been in every game! Also, in Oracle of Ages, there are three Zora guards standing around the King, signifying the Triforce! And Jabu-Jabu is the god of the Zora, and since it takes a god to make a Triforce piece, he must be the deity in charge of the fourth piece![/QUOTE]
This makes perfect sense. For a long time, the races as presented in Ocarina of Time have caused me to lose sleep at night. The basic races are Hylian, Geurdo, and Kokiri, but the Zora throw everything off (the Shekiah are essentially a dead race, so they do not count, and we'll just ignore the Gorons). Think about it: each of these races has one of the Sages, plus one piece of the Triforce (Zelda, Ganondorf, and Link, respectively). However, that leaves the Zora without a major role to play. But with the inclusion of the Fourth Triforce of the Zora, everything comes together. Of course, that does raise the question of who possesses that Triforce, but I contend that it must be King Zora. After all, why would it take you half a minute to move two feet to the right unless you were carrying something as heavy as the Triforce?

[Mr. SmartyPants]

This is the most intelligent post I've seen all day.

The Zelda series has NEVER had a single storyline. I posted about this in another thread...that you need at least three separate universes for the games to fit in. The ONLY games that are linked are the ones that are explicitly stated to be linked, meaning Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker (and to a lesser extent, Link to the Past and I/II).


YES! Random landscaping and dungeon dressing PROVES that there is a fourth Triforce piece!

Wow, there goes my sarcasm quota for the day. That's the most ridiculous, contrived argument I've ever seen.

I think the fourth Triforce piece HAS to be the Triforce of Zora! The Zoras have been in every game! Also, in Oracle of Ages, there are three Zora guards standing around the King, signifying the Triforce! And Jabu-Jabu is the god of the Zora, and since it takes a god to make a Triforce piece, he must be the deity in charge of the fourth piece!

...see how utterly ridiculous that sounds?

I'm just presenting some info I saw. Not saying I agree with it or not

[Cognitive Gear]

I'm no fan of this theory. It's convoluted and makes far too many assumtions. So many people like it, I really just don't get it.

Oh wait... it all makes sence now! There is a 4th triforce peice... 10 actually. In the original NES game, the triforce of wisdom was broken into 8 pieces! so.... 8 + the original 2.... equals 10!

Sorry for the sarcasm, but that's really what all of this sounds like to me. Worse, some of it is produced from thin air. Like the fierce diety mask thing..... where the crap does that come from?

[Midori]

Uh...
If there was a fourth Triforce, it wouldn't be called the Tri-force.

[Yojimbo]

Uh...
If there was a fourth Triforce, it wouldn't be called the Tri-force.

I was kind of thinking that when I first saw this post... Quadforce doesnt quite have the same ring to it.

[Nate]

Uh...
If there was a fourth Triforce, it wouldn't be called the Tri-force.

Behold, the rarest of the rare, the mythological two-headed hound born with only one head!

[Tommy]

That`s what I thougt when I saw this thread .

There are 3. The end.

[Linksquest]

Uh...
If there was a fourth Triforce, it wouldn't be called the Tri-force.

mebbe it because each piece is a triangle... and why each piece is called separately the Triforce of Power, Triforce of Courage, Triforce of Wisdom. A Fourth Triforce (Triangle) fitting in the middle would make the current triforce a giant three pointed triangle... TRI = 3 people.

[Nate]

TRI = 3 people.

Then by your own admittance, there cannot be a fourth Triforce. Triforce = made of three parts: Courage, Wisdom, Power. So you just admitted there can't be a fourth piece. Thanks for realizing the truth. ^^

[Midori]

I think if they were letting out hints about a fourth piece, it would be a bit less subtle. I mean, all of the evidence so far has been either for something lse, or accreditable to pure chance.

[Tommy]

Um....who cares?

Let`s just stop debating about thinking outside of the game. We can decide what we think about videogames. We don`t need to try to change the other person`s mind.

I believe the Wild ARMs games take place in the same world at different timezones.
Kaemmerite believes they are different dimensions as opposed to timezones.
They let us think the way we want and don`t come out and tell us.

That lets us think the way we want. LQ wants to believe one way and we like to believe the other. End of story.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

Look you guys. Thats no way to debate.

What we are saying if there is a 4th peice. Then it would no longer be a triforce, rather a tetra force. Maybe even each peice being called a "tetraforce"

As UC P also stated earlier. Putting that missing peice in still makes it a complete "triangle"

Um....who cares?

Let`s just stop debating about thinking outside of the game. We can decide what we think about videogames. We don`t need to try to change the other person`s mind.

I believe the Wild ARMs games take place in the same world at different timezones.
Kaemmerite believes they are different dimensions as opposed to timezones.
They let us think the way we want and don`t come out and tell us.

That lets us think the way we want. LQ wants to believe one way and we like to believe the other. End of story.

Tom you might as well just leave the thread. Apparently the maker of the thread care. I care because there is some evidence for a possible 4th peice. So to just barge in a thread saying "this debate is pointless" when indeed a debate is occuring is ludicrous. That's like going to a organization of some sort and saying "your philosophy and ideals are wrong!"

Fact is Tom, They wouldn't care what you said. They would say "well if you don't like it, then leave"

Now I am telling you tom. If you don't like this thread or debate, then leave.

[Linksquest]

Then by your own admittance, there cannot be a fourth Triforce. Triforce = made of three parts: Courage, Wisdom, Power. So you just admitted there can't be a fourth piece. Thanks for realizing the truth. ^^

.... Triforce... three sides... three points... 4 pieces making up the triforce... 4 triangles make 1 large triangle.... each separately are called triforces... Triforce of Power... Triforce of Courage... Triforce of Wisdom...

THE TRIFORCE is all of the smaller triforces combined.

Once the 4 triforces placed together they would be called the tetraforce (coming from greek as well as tri and as well as Zelda's name in WW)


Besides...
One basic point of proof that you guys aren't looking at that i have already stated... the fourth triforce is ON THE HYLIAN SHIELD in OoT!!!!

There were four Links because there are four controller spots on the Gamecube. If there had been five controller spots, then the game probably would've been called Five Swords Adventures. So the fact that there are four Links means nothing.

Good Point... yet this is not an original point... i already knew about this one. I agree that it does have it's merit in point of fact, though color wise... red blue, green, and purple proove to be colors that continue towards my argument... so the 4th link could have been any color... why did they choose purple? Purple being the Shadow Medallion coinciding with all things dead... and other things relating with the World of the Dead.

Mainly because there are only three mask forms Link takes: Deku, Goron, Zora. One dungeon for the three masks, and a fourth dungeon for Link himself. If there had been a fourth mask form, there probably would've been five dungeons. Again, it means nothing.

But there is a fourth... Oni Link... (Fierce Deity Link)

I give you credit for this one (though Tetra is also a species of fish).

(Riiight... Zelda is a fish... yay Zora Zelda!)

Shadow Link was the final boss of Zelda II for NES.

(Ok... and this disproves what? He was also in OoT... Shadow Link was in an earlier game... awsomness... more evidence that the Triforce of Shadow has elements in other games...)

Mewtwo's Shadow Ball attack in Super Smash Bros. is also purple. Gengar, the ghost Pokemon is purple. Purple is just easier to use than black (otherwise you couldn't draw any details). Hardly solid evidence.

Wow... but... i don't see mewtwo in any Zelda game... nor Gengar... Ganondorf is in the Zelda games as is Vaati... but no Pokemon... and yes... you can draw details with black.. its called the color "White"