Gypsy wrote: Rev. Doc, what would you say to someone who has asked God for forgiveness for a sin, yet has convinced themselves that it's noble for them to hate themselves for the sin as sort of penance? I can understand where self forgiveness (especially if a lesson is learned and a change of heart followed) is important, but as Christians, is this required of us Biblically? Is it always a case of self destruction, and will it eventually end up hindering our spiritual growth?
Nowhere in Scripture do I find a theological teaching that would direct an individual to allow hate to fill their heart towards self in restitution for one's sinfulness. In fact I find the exact opposite to be true. In the well known parable of the Good Samaritan we see this interaction between Jesus and an expert in the law regarding relationships:
"On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. 'Teacher,' he asked, 'what must I do to inherit eternal life?' 'What is written in the Law?' he (Jesus) replied. 'How do you read it?' He (the expert) answered: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind']I ask because sometimes I've got the impression that even a man of God like Paul struggled with self forgiveness.[/QUOTE]
The Apostle Paul related this to the church in Rome (a church that no doubt struggled with a sinful society infiltrating their lives):
"So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?"
Romans 7:21-24
That is where most of us find ourselves. We live in this vicious cycle of internal spiritual warfare and struggle in our lives. Had Paul ended at verse 24 we would be destined to a lifetime of dealing with this sinful battle dealing with the guilt that would be the product of it. But Paul had a way to deal with the guilt that we need to apply. He goes on to answer the question he just posed:
"Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God - through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
Romans 7:24b-25a"
In other words, "Who is going to rescue me from this vicious cycle of sinfulness and the guilt that is the byproduct of it? Jesus Christ our Lord!" But Paul doesn't stop there. He goes on:
"So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave too the law of sin."
Romans 7:25b
Paul is sharing with the believer the fact that the battle is not over and will in fact continue. To live in guilt and hate towards oneself is to live a life of defeat. We, as Paul does here, must face the ongoing conflict with the certainty of victory instead of the inevitability of defeat. This warfare will feature a mind that serves the law of God as it battles the flesh that serves the law of sin. However, without the intervention of the living Christ through His Spirit, it would be "no contest." But, Paul showed us that we must concentrate on our life in the Spirit (Read Chapter 8).
I like what the apostle would say to the church in Philippi:
"Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus."
Philippians 3:13-14
Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead. That life philosophy definitely falls in line with what he has learned about his battle with sin and overcoming guilt in his life.
wiggins wrote:I've got a question: Does God's Patience have It's limits?
This question actually goes along with what I have just shared. Paul wrote to Timothy:
"Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners - of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life."
I Timothy 1:15-16
Paul saw himself as the worst of sinners, yet it was because of Christ's unlimited patience that he and all of mankind had and continues to have hope.
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