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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:57 am

Is it wrong that i work at my dad's liquor store? He owns a store downtown. I'm 15, so i don't SELL anything. BUt i stock up stuff, such as beer, and wine, and that sort of stuff.

I was always wondering if it was sinful for me to be working at a liqour store. ANd is it sinful that my dad owns a liqour store?
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Postby Technomancer » Sun Sep 26, 2004 9:14 am

Mr. SmartyPants wrote:Is it wrong that i work at my dad's liquor store? He owns a store downtown. I'm 15, so i don't SELL anything. BUt i stock up stuff, such as beer, and wine, and that sort of stuff.

I was always wondering if it was sinful for me to be working at a liqour store. ANd is it sinful that my dad owns a liqour store?


Since many Christians do not see anything intrinsically sinful about consuming alcohol (and thus buying or selling it as well), I wouldn't think so. Of course, this is a question that varies from denomination to denomination, but it's a pretty safe bet that the majority of Christians do not condemn wine or other drinks as being sinful (e.g. Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans, etc). IOW, it's not really a big thing at least from my perspective, and it's honest work.

As far as your working their goes, there is the other issue of your age. In some jurisdictions (such as where I live), one must be over a certain age in order to work in a liquor store. This will depend on where you live though.
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Postby Hitokiri » Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:01 am

It's a job and nothing sinful bout it. As long as you dont consume it, it's perfectly fine.

Drinking alchohol isn't sinful. But obsessing it and drinking to the point of drunkeness IS sinful.

I'll take my dad for an example, he's my role-model, everything i want to be. A very Godly man and a loving father and husband. Every night htough he has 2 or 3 beers as he watches t.v. Is that wrong? of course not. Cause he knows how to moderate himself and keep himself steady. He doesn't drink to the point where his head is in the toilet.

Thats what's sinful. No now, just by working there isnt sinful. though some over-conservative christians may have a thing with you working there :eyeroll: (like one of my friends)
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:11 am

well, my family said that as long as i don't SELL anything, or do the lottery or anything. Then i'm fine

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Postby cbwing0 » Sun Sep 26, 2004 4:36 pm

I agree...there is nothing intrinsically sinful about selling (or consuming) alcohol. However, there is one scenario in which it would be problematic. If you knowingly sold alcohol to an alcoholic, then that would be facilitating the self-destruction of a fellow human being, which is sinful.
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Postby anime-girl » Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:07 pm

I agree to as long as you dont drink it i think it is fine to work at liquor store.If you were drinking it that would be a totally different story but you arnt so its all good.
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Postby anime-girl » Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:09 pm

Mr. SmartyPants wrote:well, my family said that as long as i don't SELL anything, or do the lottery or anything. Then i'm fine

^_^ thanks guys


your very very welcome.Any time :angel:
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Postby Kisa » Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:29 am

I agree, there is nothing wrong with it. As with the alcohol issue I feel that it is only wrong when done in excess . . .
I would think youre fine though . . . no worries ^^
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Postby Mangafanatic » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:04 am

So long as you ain't sellin' anything and it doesn't cause you to desire alchohol, I'd say it's fine.
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Postby Fsiphskilm » Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:01 pm

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Postby Stephen » Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:13 pm

Your wrong Volt, I work at a grocery store where we have 2 alcohol isles. And the age there is 15 up. And because a law seems unfair...that does not mean we can break it...just thought I would toss that out there.
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:20 am

it's my dad's privately owned store... it's nto a big store. And i'm nto an offical "emplyee", its kind of me just helping there and also getting paid.. i don't know if that's same or anything
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Postby Raskle » Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:21 pm

wine and so forth were regular drinks in the Bible. It's not wrong, only getting drunk, but you can't necessarily tell customers you won't sell to them unless they promise to drink in moderation. I'd consider it a job, like any other job. I mean, it's healthier than working at a fast food place.
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Postby shooraijin » Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:26 pm

LOL! I never thought of it -that- way ...
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Postby Vyse » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:35 pm

Shatterheart wrote:Your wrong Volt, I work at a grocery store where we have 2 alcohol isles. And the age there is 15 up. And because a law seems unfair...that does not mean we can break it...just thought I would toss that out there.


What about copyright laws?
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Postby Ashley » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:49 pm

Vyse, for once can we please not hijack a thread and degrade it into quibbling?
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Postby Vyse » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:55 pm

I asked a legit question, I'm not quibbling.
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Postby Ashley » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:00 pm

Let's not play childish games here, Vyse. We both know exactly what's going on--haven't you had enough of butting heads with the staff for one week? Enough. Anything else posted meant to stir up debate and bring this thread off topic will be deleted without warning. Now, feel free to carry on with the discussion everyone.
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Postby Vyse » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:35 pm

This isn't a game, I asked a question and I would like an answer. Why can't I have an answer? I promise I won't respond in any way, I just wanted to see his answer on why copyright laws would be different.
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:49 pm

um... how WOULD copyright laws tie in with this? im confusssssed
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Postby Vyse » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:00 pm

Never mind that ^_^ Anyways... I'd say follow your heart and convictions... if you don't feel right doing this, then don't do it.
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Postby Fsiphskilm » Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:34 am

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Postby Vyse » Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:30 am

Yeah I think Volt's right, different states have different rules about it, Smarty pants, maybe you should look online for a copy of your states laws. Also personally... I wouldn't feel comfortable working for a store that only sells a substance that indirectly ends so many lives.... but thats just me personally.
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Postby Technomancer » Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:49 am

From everything I've read, the liquor laws in the US tend to vary quite a bit, even to the point of absurdity.

Apparently for example
It's illegal to sit on any street curb in St. Louis, Missouri, and drink beer from a bucket.


http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol-info/FunFacts/ItsTheLaw.html

In most Canadian provinces, alcohol can only be purchased in liquor stores which are owned by the provincial government.
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Postby Stephen » Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am

Yeah I think Volt's right, different states have different rules about it, Smarty pants, maybe you should look online for a copy of your states laws. Also personally... I wouldn't feel comfortable working for a store that only sells a substance that indirectly ends so many lives.... but thats just me personally.


People die every year in car wrecks....should we all return to riding horses?

As for the laws..I live in Maine...which typicaly tends to be annoying on laws. I could understand the stricter laws in say...Cali, or New York. But for the most part I would imagine only selling alcohol is fine for people of legal working age.

And one last thing about Alcohol as it pertains to the Bible. I assume you respect Jesus and Paul right? Both gave others or advised others to drink at one point or another. Read your Bible.
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Postby Vyse » Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:29 am

I know people die in car crashes every year, I'm just saying what I personally would(or in this case wouldn't) feel comfortable doing.

I know what it says in the Bible. And I never said it was wrong for a person to drink, just for people to abuse it. And then again, they didn't have drunk driving back in the days of the Bible either, and it does say in the Bible not to get drunk. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't feel comfortable selling it because a lot of people do get drunk and drive, but thats just my opinion.
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Postby Mithrandir » Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:51 am

Vyse:
Noted. Thank you for not escalating. Returning to the topic at hand...

MSP:
I think it's going to end up being on your concensce. Have you addressed your concerns to your parents recently? I'm sure there may be somethings they know about that we don't.

Others:
*sigh*

As far as the alchohol question in general, it's a tough subject. That daily drinking post in particular sets off an alarm for me - but that's not the only concern. I'd watch my family members very carefully if I were you. Don't nit pick, and keep discussions level-headed, but raise your concerns, if you have them. If it's causing you stress, it's already affecting the family. Remember - just because you aren't an alcoholic doesn't mean your drinking might not be affecting someone else in your family - and that IS your responsibility.
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