HOLD ON Chrono Trigger for PSP?

[mikas]

yeah i'm pretty lucky i managed to get the radical dreamers rom (i'm a CC/CT addict and when i heard of radical dreamers i had to get it) but it was in japanese, after a long exhaustive search i finally found a translation patch that worked and was able to play the game. I unfourtunately couldn't get all the way through though before that computer was stolen (family one and we upgrading unplugging it into obsurity) i am planning to transfer my files over and i think i could get that one to my lap top. i don't know how long it'd take though but if i get it i'll tell you and we can all bask in the glory of the lost chrono game!

[Lynx]

i have a copy of the japanese radical dreamers, and i got an english patch for it so now it's in english... it's all story based, it's kinda like a "chose your own adventure" book except with pictures;) mikas and i both got it from a site april 30th 2003. May 1st will forever be known as "post-radical day".

anyways, if it's ok with the mods or w/e i'll try to upload the rom. it's was never licenced in the US, so it's legal, but with roms are like all controvertial.

[Vyse]

It doesn't matter if its licenced in the US, its still under copywrite like protection here because of International Treties, and I don't mean to sound bitter, but I do not apprecaite convos about roms in my threads.

[uc pseudonym]

Vyse, in general I am glad that you stand up for copywrites and the like, though you could do to look your position over carefully. Here, however, you happen to be wrong.

Due to laws recently passed, games that required hardware to play that is considered "obsolete" can be legally converted to different formats. The definition of obsolete is (of course) variable, being, according to the text of the law, either:
1) The required hardware cannot be found easily at a store, or
2) The required hardware is no longer in production.

In the case of the SNES, it is definitely no longer in production, and most likely fits under the first definition as well. As such, unless Radical Dreamers is remade on a newer system, it is legal within the United States.

[Arbre]

Vyse, in general I am glad that you stand up for copywrites and the like, though you could do to look your position over carefully. Here, however, you happen to be wrong.

Due to laws recently passed, games that required hardware to play that is considered "obsolete" can be legally converted to different formats. The definition of obsolete is (of course) variable, being, according to the text of the law, either:
1) The required hardware cannot be found easily at a store, or
2) The required hardware is no longer in production.

In the case of the SNES, it is definitely no longer in production, and most likely fits under the first definition as well. As such, unless Radical Dreamers is remade on a newer system, it is legal within the United States.

This past week Nintendo released a series of "classic NES" games for their GBA. Those titles are not obsolete and there is a way to continue to play them. Yes, it requires a new piece of hardware, and a new copy of the software, but they are keeping the titles available. So... if someone never had a copy of a SNES game, they can go download a ROM of it now and it's all ok, even while Nintendo is rereleasing the games for newer consoles (e-reader, GCN collections, bonuses in games (Animal Crossing, Metroid Prime + Fusion link-up, etc))? Nintendo and others are rereleasing a lot of their older games in new formats. How can you get a ROM of a game legally when there's the chance that it WILL be remade on a new system? There's almost always that possibility.

(edit)It not only seems unfair for people to get to download games for free just because availability is lower a few years later, but wouldn't it seem to lower the incentive for companies to rerelease games later because they'd get less customers? If I have one copy of a game, I wouldn't feel the need to get another. If I had a ROM of a game (and didn't think it was wrong), I wouldn't want to spend money for something I already have. Maybe it doesn't lower the incentive for video game companies, but it seems logical that it would lower their profits... and people would be getting something for free that others are paying for, and the people who own the rights to the game wouldn't be getting anything for those ROMS. (/edit)

Also, I know that I can easily find an SNES. Yes, production has stopped, but they are still available. Who determines "easily" available?






(edit)Anyway... back on topic...

I'm not sure that I would buy a PSP just for one game. I haven't played these games before, though, so maybe I'm just not aware of how great they are. ^_^ (/edit)

[uc pseudonym]

Lawyers and people getting sued, to answer your immediate question.

As for rereleases, I have no idea. Personally, the original version strikes me as harmless, but I will probably avoid doing such to stay out of a moral grey area. Assuming you are to take the view that it is illegal to utilize a ROM of a rereleased game, the title would be legal until it was rereleased, at which point it would become illegal.

Where could you find it? E-bay? That does not count. Stores specializing in old hardware? Same. Walmart? That would be considered readily available.

By the by, no ROM can become legal because you have an actual copy of the game. They state that on pretty much all products...

[Lynx]

you couldnt buy radical dreamers if you tried because it's for the satellaview, which was an add-on satellite service for the SNES. even if you had a SNES and bought a satellaview, you couldnt use it because you had to download and save them to a memory card to play them and the channel that you download them from was taken down 4 years ago. so basically there is no radical dreamers cartrage you could buy, or no perpetual you could get to ever get this game. the only medium it is available on is rom. no re-release has been announced to this date, probably never will be because text-based games aren't that fun unless you're a fan of the series it's from. the only people who would enjoy this are it chrono fans who are playing it for the plot.

rom is the only option for this game forgive me vyse i didn't know you felt the way you did about roms , i'm shutting up now, but i just wanted to let you know where i was comming from, in that for this title rom is the only option.

[mikas]

Heh, yeah just wanted to say that i never intended to sound like i was promoting roms in general but i'm with lynx and uc on this one, i'm almost certain that this rom is perfectly legal cause it's impossible to get. Roms have several ways their legal (like the obvious one of already owning the cartridge and having a rom as a back up) so it's not roms in themselves that cause issues although i doubt they are generally used according to standards. if i'm wrong i'll gladly delete radical dreamers, a text based game isn't really worth it, but untill then i'd love to learn the plot and finish the game.

[Lynx]

yeah i would also gladly delete if it is illegal

[uc pseudonym]

I believe in this case it is completely legal. But... Radical Dreamers is text based?

like the obvious one of already owning the cartridge and having a rom as a back up

This is a common misconception. Even if you own a legitimately purchased physical copy of the rom is still illegal. The fine print on most games and systems will state this.

[Lynx]

yes, it's text-based. there isnt much gameplay, but lots of plot. there are pictures and stuff tho, which kinda breaks up the text. so far what i've played is all like one of those "chose your own adventure" books

[uc pseudonym]

Please tell me the combat is not in that format. It is your typical turn-based rpg fare, right?

[Lynx]

well... sorry... no, that's text-based too, unless there's some that isn't later in the game... but in the beginning you get attacked and you have to pick from text options what you want to do... like i said, it's not that great of a game unless you're a fan of the chrono series

[Vyse]

Technically Chrono Cross IS a remake of RD from what I've heard, loose remake, but still.

[Lynx]

hmmmm... CC is more based on RD than a remake of it... it seems more like RD is a prequel to the events in CC.