Vilo159 wrote:But your response to him had nothing to do with the OP either, so with that logic, why would you respond? I don't think his comment was completely irrelevant, just a passing mildly humorous comment. But instead of just letting it go, you pounced on him like you always seem to do. If that wasn't your intention, sorry, I misunderstood you. Anyway, this whole argument is off topic, so I'll be done now. Sorry for taking up so much space, guys. If you want to keep going, Xeno, feel free to take it to PM.
Atria35 wrote:My opinion: Let life happen. You can go to all-Christian-events-all-the-time and not meet somebody. You might meet somebody randomly on the street. Whatever happens will. Just make sure that it doesn't consume you to the point you can't enjoy life without a girlfriend/wife, because that would be sad.
DarkNozomi wrote:Most "Christians" of either gender are phonies, so consider not making that your primary criteria for a marriage partner. Find someone who's a good person, who cares about you and others, and who you really click with. If she's a good person she will respect your faith.
impact777 wrote: It's pretty small. No match with any college in the US I think.
Yuki-Anne wrote:I take my faith very seriously, so seriously that it is the #1 influence on all of my career decisions. Why should it not also be the #1 influence on picking the person I will spend the rest of my life with? I don't want to get into an argument about the "equally yoked" thing at all; I'm not talking about that. I'm just saying, if your faith is the most important thing in your life to you, why would you not want to spend the rest of your life with someone you can share that with?
armeck wrote: Also Impact earlier you said you are too old to being a new study. Now, if this is your personal feeling I understand but if it would make you feel any better I go to college with a man who is easily 70 years old.
So to me, simply having the same faith, literally means nothing. To me, certain beliefs and actions are more important than faith. I don't mean as far as salvation or in God's eyes, I mean in my human eyes. To me, I would rather marry someone of a completely different religion who shared my views on political and social issues, than someone of the same religion who disagreed with me on all of them.
But that's just me.
Zeldafan2 wrote:I basicially agree with what everyone's already said here (referring to the OP). Christian Bible colleges, Bible study groups, Church, all good places to find Christian girlfriends.
Nate wrote:I take my faith very seriously too, and it is a vital part of my being, and it is not the number one influence on picking the person I will spend the rest of my life with. The reason why I do not care about my partner sharing my faith despite its importance to me is because ultimately, sharing the same faith is not a strong bond at all. Putting aside the yoked verse, the "phony" charge, to me it boils down to this.
You have probably seen me interact with other Christians on this board. My faith is very important to me, and their faith is very important to them. However, as you may well have seen, often times we have very strong disagreements, even severe disagreements. It wouldn't be a stretch to say I have made some enemies on this site, and there are many others who do not care for my presence. This happens despite the fact that almost all of us here love God and take our faith very seriously. But in addition to our faith, we also have other things about our religion that we take very seriously. Commands on how to live, how to interpret things, stuff like that.
And ultimately, even with our common faith in Christ, we come to vastly different conclusions on what the Bible says and how we should act. So much so that it makes me incompatible with those people in relationships (friendship and otherwise). That doesn't mean we have to dislike each other necessarily (although that does happen), but it does mean we can't share a life together in any real capacity because it would merely lead to argument and stress.
So to me, simply having the same faith, literally means nothing. To me, certain beliefs and actions are more important than faith. I don't mean as far as salvation or in God's eyes, I mean in my human eyes. To me, I would rather marry someone of a completely different religion who shared my views on political and social issues, than someone of the same religion who disagreed with me on all of them.
But that's just me.
Xeno wrote:Zeldafan2 wrote:I basicially agree with what everyone's already said here (referring to the OP). Christian Bible colleges, Bible study groups, Church, all good places to find Christian girlfriends.
Again, I think this needs to be pointed out. The OP lives in Germany, aka Deutschland, located in central Europe, bordered by Denmark, Poland, the Czech Republic, Austria, Switzerland, France, Luxembourg, Belgium, and the Netherlands. Recommending christian colleges might make sense for people here in the US; for the OP, it's going to make him look kind of creepy if he's just chilling around random christian colleges trying to meet girls.
And Yuki was joking when she recommended that in the first place as she's said a couple of times now.
Nate wrote:Yuki-Anne wrote:I take my faith very seriously, so seriously that it is the #1 influence on all of my career decisions. Why should it not also be the #1 influence on picking the person I will spend the rest of my life with? I don't want to get into an argument about the "equally yoked" thing at all; I'm not talking about that. I'm just saying, if your faith is the most important thing in your life to you, why would you not want to spend the rest of your life with someone you can share that with?
I take my faith very seriously too, and it is a vital part of my being, and it is not the number one influence on picking the person I will spend the rest of my life with. The reason why I do not care about my partner sharing my faith despite its importance to me is because ultimately, sharing the same faith is not a strong bond at all. Putting aside the yoked verse, the "phony" charge, to me it boils down to this.
You have probably seen me interact with other Christians on this board. My faith is very important to me, and their faith is very important to them. However, as you may well have seen, often times we have very strong disagreements, even severe disagreements. It wouldn't be a stretch to say I have made some enemies on this site, and there are many others who do not care for my presence. This happens despite the fact that almost all of us here love God and take our faith very seriously. But in addition to our faith, we also have other things about our religion that we take very seriously. Commands on how to live, how to interpret things, stuff like that.
And ultimately, even with our common faith in Christ, we come to vastly different conclusions on what the Bible says and how we should act. So much so that it makes me incompatible with those people in relationships (friendship and otherwise). That doesn't mean we have to dislike each other necessarily (although that does happen), but it does mean we can't share a life together in any real capacity because it would merely lead to argument and stress.
So to me, simply having the same faith, literally means nothing. To me, certain beliefs and actions are more important than faith. I don't mean as far as salvation or in God's eyes, I mean in my human eyes. To me, I would rather marry someone of a completely different religion who shared my views on political and social issues, than someone of the same religion who disagreed with me on all of them.
But that's just me.
DarkNozomi wrote:Most "Christians" of either gender are phonies, so consider not making that your primary criteria for a marriage partner. Find someone who's a good person, who cares about you and others, and who you really click with. If she's a good person she will respect your faith.
Warrior4Christ wrote:Unity in the body of Christ, yo. Goodness of fellowship and such. John 13:34-35 makes it sound like it should transcend our differences:
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
There should be an obvious difference between Jesus' disciples and others in the way they love each other (following the example of Christ himself).
I disagree with other points on this position, but I'll leave it there for now.
I highly recommend finding someone with the same faith as you. It goes well beyond just "respecting your faith" - but helps active mutual encouragement and growth (as opposed to passive "respecting").
Xeno wrote:Warrior4Christ wrote:Unity in the body of Christ, yo. Goodness of fellowship and such. John 13:34-35 makes it sound like it should transcend our differences:
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
There should be an obvious difference between Jesus' disciples and others in the way they love each other (following the example of Christ himself).
I disagree with other points on this position, but I'll leave it there for now.
I highly recommend finding someone with the same faith as you. It goes well beyond just "respecting your faith" - but helps active mutual encouragement and growth (as opposed to passive "respecting").
Okay, legitimate question, I'm not trying to be the jerk I usually am. That verse seems to be talking about general love for each other in that it allows people to know the diciples were just that, diciples of Jesus. The verse doesn't seem to have anything to do with marriage or other relationships, though Jesus did say that really the Ten Commandments were really just two and that the second commandment was to love your neighbor. It would be very difficult for two people who are completely different politically to remain happily married just because they're both Baptist.
So, how so you come to the conclusion that this verse plays into the "you should marry someone of the same faith" thing?
Warrior4Christ wrote:Unity in the body of Christ, yo. Goodness of fellowship and such. John 13:34-35 makes it sound like it should transcend our differences:
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
QtheQreater wrote:Personally, since I believe that there is a judgement, I don't think I would be able to deal with the idea that a hypothetical "unbelieving spouse" would definitely go to hell if he died. Sounds like a really great way to be a horrible influence on someone you love: "dear, I'm just so worried that you aren't going to see eternity in Heaven. Convert! Convert!"
Nate wrote:Yeah but isn't there a verse about how your faith will justify your spouse or something like that? Because I think that's one of the verses that's talking against divorce, basically saying "If you're married to an unbeliever don't divorce them, stick with them" and whatnot. If that verse is true, then marrying someone who isn't Christian shouldn't be no thang. Of course if it isn't true then the whole thing goes out the window I guess.
QtheQreater wrote:That was a bit of a ramble because I'm not sure I'm getting what you mean.
Anyway, what I'm saying is that I wouldn't choose to make an intimate connection like marriage with someone that I knew wasn't going to the same eternal place I am.
Yamamaya wrote:Dude, come to the US for a bit. There are tons of desperate Christian girls that would adore a European Christian man such as yourself.
Xeno wrote:Warrior4Christ wrote:Unity in the body of Christ, yo. Goodness of fellowship and such. John 13:34-35 makes it sound like it should transcend our differences:
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
There should be an obvious difference between Jesus' disciples and others in the way they love each other (following the example of Christ himself).
I disagree with other points on this position, but I'll leave it there for now.
I highly recommend finding someone with the same faith as you. It goes well beyond just "respecting your faith" - but helps active mutual encouragement and growth (as opposed to passive "respecting").
Okay, legitimate question, I'm not trying to be the jerk I usually am. That verse seems to be talking about general love for each other in that it allows people to know the diciples were just that, diciples of Jesus. The verse doesn't seem to have anything to do with marriage or other relationships, though Jesus did say that really the Ten Commandments were really just two and that the second commandment was to love your neighbor. It would be very difficult for two people who are completely different politically to remain happily married just because they're both Baptist.
So, how so you come to the conclusion that this verse plays into the "you should marry someone of the same faith" thing?
Nate wrote:Warrior4Christ wrote:Unity in the body of Christ, yo. Goodness of fellowship and such. John 13:34-35 makes it sound like it should transcend our differences:
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
While that all sounds well and good, it takes two people to make a working relationship. To bring up the worst example, you really think Fred Phelps would live in peace and harmony with you and love you? Doesn't matter how much effort you put forth, he would continue to be a hate-filled old man and there's really nothing you can do about that. In that case, I think the best you can do to approach love would be just not to talk to him or antagonize him.
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