For those who need to defend the faith!

[Shao Feng-Li]

http://www.reformed.org/documents/WSC_frames.html

THe Westminster Shorter Catechism

complete with biblicle proof.

use this to answer the most difficult quetions to teach others abotu Christainity.

[Aka-chan]

Wow. Good stuff! Thanks! ^___^

[Ashley]

Moving this to links section

[uc pseudonym]

A link with a great deal of good source material, but allow me to warn all who use it... it answers only certain questions, and typically not the ones that will be asked by the hardest of questioners. Other Christians, yes. However, do not be too confident in what is written there.

[Shao Feng-Li]

hmm maybe, but thetre's no real way for Chistains to argue against this without goinf against scripture itself.

[uc pseudonym]

You might be surprised. Some scholars will get extremely heavily into the Greek/Hebrew/Context, which trumps even Biblical sources.

Note, however, that I essentially said this: the link equips you well for arguing with Christians, just not non-Christians.

[Technomancer]

Of course, it hardly needs pointing out that other denominations also support their beliefs with scripture.

[uc pseudonym]

On the contrary, I feel pointing this out was quite necessary, Technomancer. Thank you for doing so. While we address the subject, however, allow me to say this: if this so much as hints of becoming an argument, it will be locked as soon as a mod lays eyes upon it.

[Shao Feng-Li]

if you think about it, not all denomintaions are purely biblical, nd it also depends on the actual church/paster HIMself. For instance, the penecostal church i went to claimed that you could loose your salvation, wich is quite contrary to scripture and its pretty hard to argue otherwise

[Ashley]

You know, Ruroken, it's this kind of discussion that starts flame wars and gets people's feelings hurt/topics locked. Most churches, if not all, root their doctrine in scripture too; most of the differences are simply in interpretation.

So, that being said, please stay away from such broad-stroke topics/statements. The link is there for anyone who wants it, and we've established the potential denominational differences. Enough has been said, I think.

[Shao Feng-Li]

all right ash... (grumbles) just lemme say, there's right way to interpret scripture and wrong ways. and im sure that scripture can be interpreted by scripture... right, i mean i think that's what i heard... hmm *goes of to search*

PS> i stand by what i said 100%

Now back to subject.

I hope tha somehow you guys get some use out of this list and maybe it'll teach you a thing or two like it has for me

[uc pseudonym]

all right ash... (grumbles) just lemme say, there's right way to interpret scripture and wrong ways.

However, that is not to say that there cannot be two arguable positions from scripture. Yes, there are right ways to interprete scripture (exegesis) and wrong ways (isegesis) but two people's exegesis can result in different opinions. It is even possible that on earth we will never know for certain which is correct.

and im sure that scripture can be interpreted by scripture...

Pray tell, what exactly do you mean by that?

Now back to subject.

Yes. Please do not allow us to drag this too off topic with administrative issues. Conversely, however, if no one has anything to say, that would be the time to say nothing.

[Shao Feng-Li]

i found outr that scripture interprets itself. Why would God leave His very words to be figured out by fallible humans?

like when the TRinity is adressede, some beleivethat it is THREE Gods. But he bible says tere's only ONE God. men can/will interpret it to how they lie it.
or some people like to say that there was like a thousand year gap between the days that God created earth, man , ect. But he bible says

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

obviously fallible men werent to interpret God's very own words. He does it for us in the bible.



(So you know im not stating my opinion Im stating a fact. no matter what any one else says or beleives.and im saying this as best i can with a limited vocab and knowledge. but what i have written hear, id probably et my life on. And i think ill leave the rest up to the pms.)

[Roll]

Here's a good source of scientific info to help with witnessing to non-Christians--particularly those with no biblical foundation:

http://www.answersingenesis.org

It also refutes compromise of the Bible with secular theories.

[Shao Feng-Li]

oh wonderful! we get their waht ever thingy in the mail

[uc pseudonym]

i found outr that scripture interprets itself. Why would God leave His very words to be figured out by fallible humans?

like when the TRinity is adressede, some beleivethat it is THREE Gods. But he bible says tere's only ONE God. men can/will interpret it to how they lie it.
or some people like to say that there was like a thousand year gap between the days that God created earth, man , ect.

etc

I shall respond to this before others do. First off, this will not turn into an argument unless all of you wish to have this thread closed. That is for certain. Even in agreement, I would appreciate it if no one even responded to such a train of logic.

That having been said, however, allow me to at least present a balancing point of view. You said you were not stating an opinion, Ruroken, you were stating a fact. This, sadly, is not strictly true. While you present an interpretation of scripture, you will find that there are a great many conflicting interpretations. Not all of them assume that God's only purpose for the creation story is to tell us exactly what happened.

But I am not attempting to support any specific point. My only intent is to balance all statements and head off argument.

Meanwhile, on the recent topic: the Answers in Genesis people have done some good, but I can't say I like everything of theirs. Keep an open mind when reading it, but have a grain of salt handy.

[Shao Feng-Li]

ahh heck ill figure it all out some day

[uc pseudonym]

True. One day we will be with God and, I believe, have an opportunity to speak with Him personally on the subject. I get the feeling that all of us will laugh slightly at ourselves over many issues. Beyond that point, most of them will cease to matter anyway.

But God bless. May this thread return to its topic.