Kkun (post: 1324873) wrote:Fair enough, man, I think we just have a difference of opinion as far as personal taste goes (I think the last 75 seconds of it are great, for instance).
Yah, I think that is probably the case. We seem to like a lot of the same bands, just for different reasons.
Kkun wrote: HOWEVER, I think I should have defined my terms a little better. By mature, I mean that Josh has improved as far as writing original material goes. Most of their stuff has been ripped off from other bands like Refused, Nine Inch Nails, etc. I can't as easily place this song alongside some other band that I know Josh Dies likes that it sounds like, and I think that is the mark of improving as a songwriter, whether it is particularly more complex or not. As far as being darker, I was also referring to the sonic quality of it. Everything on this song is rougher around the edges compared to their earlier works. It's a very DIY punk rock, garage band quality that I think fits the band rather well since it suited other bands with similar styles like Refused and (earlier) The Blood Brothers.
I am afraid I am as illiterate in the genre of punk rock as it is possible to be, so your comparisons do me little good. On the plus side, the unoriginality of some of Showbread's songs doesn't really bother me, because I haven't listened to who they are ripping off. I will take your word on their songwriting maturity level.
It is good that you defined your terms, though, because I don't usually consider "rough" with "dark". For instance, I would consider lots of Virgin Black's material to be "dark", even though it is very melodic. Accounting for differences in vocabulary usage, I think we are on the same page on this one, though.
Kkun wrote:I disagree that this one features less complex guitar work compared to their other songs, though. "And the Smokers..." isn't particularly complex...it just has a variety of pretty basic power chord progressions (which is really all Josh Dies knows how to write, anyway).
Fair enough. Even though it is just basic power chords, however, I like the fact that they change the pitch of the overall drone more often on "Smokers".
Regardless, this song is more than enough to pique my interest. Hopefully the rest of the album follows a similar path.