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Postby SnEptUne » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:02 pm

I still do "M" sometimes because it is an easy way to do exercises and putting me to sleep. I don't do it routinely because like caffine, it will lose its effect on me if it is done regularly. Am I selling my soul to demons for sanity and accomplishment? I don't know. I don't even know if it is wrong, but I believe that as long as my thoughts and spirit remains pure, it shouldn't be a problem, right?

On the other hand, I hate lust, I despite it; is there any will left for a person if he/she cannot even overcome a bodily desire? This is a question that really bothers me, especially since these days, it is the "right" things to acknowledge our sexuality. I recently read a book "The sins of Scripture" by John Shelby Spong, that outlines how church and sex are always related, from temples prositutes to today's "sexually repressed" version that discourages birth controls after marriage, creating unwanted kids the parents just wanted them removed (sometimes they went nuts and murdered them).

I don't think sex by itself is evil, but if people value others based on it, then we are no better than beasts. I wouldn't like people seeing me with lustful eyes; or people buttering me up because they want to woe me or such. Sexual fantasy just plain creeps me out. The horror!
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Postby Prince Asbel » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:47 am

SnEptUne (post: 1255945) wrote:I still do "M" sometimes because it is an easy way to do exercises and putting me to sleep. I don't do it routinely because like caffine, it will lose its effect on me if it is done regularly. Am I selling my soul to demons for sanity and accomplishment? I don't know. I don't even know if it is wrong, but I believe that as long as my thoughts and spirit remains pure, it shouldn't be a problem, right?


Right. As long as you're not conjuring up thoughts about other people for sexual gratification, then it's fine.

SnEptUne (post: 1255945) wrote:On the other hand, I hate lust, I despite it]

I hate lust too. The "right" thing to do in acknowledging sexuality nowadays is "I want to do whatever I want sexually, and don't you dare tell me I'm doing anything wrong!" That, of course, is ridiculous. But I would also say don't be quick to condemn those who do lust. This is mostly related to guys, but it can also go for girls. I would argue that longing for sex (which problematically can lead to lust) is a natural thing built into our body. It's something you have that can't get rid of.

It's just really hard for some people to disconnect the wish for sex to the imagination of the act. But we're still people. A rape victim is still a person even if he/she cannot keep the rapist from attacking him/her. We have parts of our body that react automatically, that doesn't automatically lead to lack of a will on our part. My heart is working right now (hopefully ;)) I can't stop it, but I'm still a person.

Same thing goes for sexual desires. It's natural, it's not something you must always be ashamed of. I know I used to feel ashamed if my body ever reacted sexually if I ever noticed a girl's... parts. The thing was that in those cases I didn't think anything sexual at all, I had no plans to look for those things on the girl, it was completely and totally involuntary, but my body still responded that way. That's when I decided it was natural and I wasn't a pervert and that I didn't always need to feel ashamed. (Just don't stare! :thumb:)


SnEptUne (post: 1255945) wrote:I recently read a book "The sins of Scripture" by John Shelby Spong, that outlines how church and sex are always related, from temples prositutes to today's "sexually repressed" version that discourages birth controls after marriage, creating unwanted kids the parents just wanted them removed (sometimes they went nuts and murdered them).


Okay... I would never personally trust John Shelby Spong about anything related to sex. He debated James White (the greatest Christian apologist of our time) about if the Bible permitted homosexuality, and he was giving the affirmative. So as far as being a true Christian, I have very serious doubts, and I call any work of his into question. I say to you not to read his material as though he is a credible, trustworthy Christian with good material for his bros and sis's in Christ. He is not.

[quote="SnEptUne (post: 1255945)"]I don't think sex by itself is evil, but if people value others based on it, then we are no better than beasts. I wouldn't like people seeing me with lustful eyes]

Yes, I'm sure it does. I'm sure it also really creeps people out who don't really understand the whole realm of this issue. I'm sure a girl would think I was a pervert if I decided to avoid going to the beach because I might be tempted to lust at the girls there. Those words by themselves for many people stamp the word 'PERVERT' on your forehead.

But really, I wouldn't be so scared by finding out that some people value others only because of their sexual qualities. They do NOT, I repeat, NOT represent all people. I would point to myself as an example to the contrary. If I had to choose between two girls to marry (One is a supermodel of supermodels who is an unbeliever and the other is a below average Christian) I would pick the Christian. Or lets go another step. Let's say the supermodel godess was also a Christian, but had a tendency to be mean and nasty, and the below average girl is usually polite and kind, I would still pick the below average girl.

So don't despair, SnEptUne. By the way, I have a question (you don't have to answer this if you don't want), but are you a guy or a girl?
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Postby SailorDove » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:50 pm

Prince Asbel,

Interesting reply. Did have one thought and a non related question for you.

I'm sure a girl would think I was a pervert if I decided to avoid going to the beach because I might be tempted to lust at the girls there. Those words by themselves for many people stamp the word 'PERVERT' on your forehead.


Actually, the way most ladies' swimsuits are today I'd actually think the opposite of you. As having the heart of a gentleman, not a pervert.

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Postby Prince Asbel » Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:08 am

SailorDove (post: 1256272) wrote:Prince Asbel,

Interesting reply. Did have one thought and a non related question for you.

Actually, the way most ladies' swimsuits are today I'd actually think the opposite of you. As having the heart of a gentleman, not a pervert.


Well thanks! :thumb: That's nice of you to say. Perhaps I was a bit general. I said A girl, but I didn't mean to imply any girl. I was trying to say within the context of those who aren't really acquainted with the whole realm of the issue, and there seems to be more of them even in Christian churches, and they might react as such. I know there are girls and women out there (Such as you and others on this site) who do realize the visual way guys are geared and would think well of someone if they gave this kind of reason for avoiding places like the beach.

SailorDove (post: 1256272) wrote:Off Topic Question: Do you work on the "Game Plan" comic. I've recently become a fan of it.


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Postby SnEptUne » Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:10 am

SailorDove (post: 1256272) wrote:Actually, the way most ladies' swimsuits are today I'd actually think the opposite of you. As having the heart of a gentleman, not a pervert.


Oh my, the ladies' swimsuits are becoming so bad these days? >_< I was still stuck with the idea that swimsuit = one piece that cover every part of the body.

I go swimming at times, but my google is always foggy and I can't spot a thing, let alone what people wear.

Prince Asbel (post: 1256475) wrote:Well thanks! :thumb: That's nice of you to say. Perhaps I was a bit general. I said A girl, but I didn't mean to imply any girl. I was trying to say within the context of those who aren't really acquainted with the whole realm of the issue, and there seems to be more of them even in Christian churches, and they might react as such. I know there are girls and women out there (Such as you and others on this site) who do realize the visual way guys are geared and would think well of someone if they gave this kind of reason for avoiding places like the beach.


Whether guys are more geared visually than ladies are still up to debate.

Regarding reading the works of John Shelby Spong, some of his writings are indeed a little provocative if not funny (like how he compares guns with male's genitals O_o), but I prefer to broaden my horizons of things (whether I agree with him or not) instead of being ignorant of it. If only everyone can provide such fine arguments, other people wouldn't look down at religions anymore.

That being said, I think today's view of homosexual is way twisted, homosexual is merely a biological attraction of the same gender. Like you said, a person maybe attracted to another one even though it isn't one's will; only this time they are both women. There is no reason to condemn those who are biologically different. And if they want to play house (i.e. marriage), so be it.
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Postby Prince Asbel » Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:30 am

I hesitated before posting this, because I thought it would violate debate prohibition. But I think since you've posted your thoughts with such length, I felt I could do it as well. But if you wish to respond, sneptune, do it via PM.

SnEptUne (post: 1256632) wrote:Oh my, the ladies' swimsuits are becoming so bad these days? >_< I was still stuck with the idea that swimsuit = one piece that cover every part of the body.

I go swimming at times, but my google is always foggy and I can't spot a thing, let alone what people wear.


I guess that's a good thing. I personally still wouldn't go, but that's just me.

SnEptUne (post: 1256632) wrote:Whether guys are more geared visually than ladies are still up to debate.


Well, it may be in your mind, but it isn't in mine. And it doesn't seem to be up for debate for the different Christian authors I've read who have written on this subject.

SnEptUne (post: 1256632) wrote:Regarding reading the works of John Shelby Spong, some of his writings are indeed a little provocative if not funny (like how he compares guns with male's genitals O_o), but I prefer to broaden my horizons of things (whether I agree with him or not) instead of being ignorant of it. If only everyone can provide such fine arguments, other people wouldn't look down at religions anymore.


Okay, so... you think these are good arguments? I sure don't.

http://aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=2025

There's another one here, but really, the first one I provided has more arguments from Spong in it.

http://aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=2024

SnEptUne (post: 1256632) wrote:That being said, I think today's view of homosexual is way twisted, homosexual is merely a biological attraction of the same gender.


Well, the Bible states that is evil. So though I would dispute its being a normal biological thing, whether it is or not, we should not avoid condemning the act in our churches according to the Bible.

[quote="SnEptUne (post: 1256632)"]Like you said, a person maybe attracted to another one even though it isn't one's will]

No way. Not what I said or meant at all. I meant as a result of guys being visually geared, I've had the experience of having no intention of staring at girls or looking for girls to stare at, and yet, when a girl pops into view, my eyes dart to their regions. I had no lecherous ideas in mind, and I had none when I looked away. That whole experience is because those parts are so attractive to the eyes. Guys are more visually geared for that kind of thing, and thus, my described experiences.

Plus, a person may claim they cannot help but be attracted to the same sex. But then, there are others with a disposition to commit certain sins like getting drunk or starting fights. That doesn't mean those sins are alright, nor does it mean it is natural to commit them. So I reject your assertion that committing homosexuality is a natural thing. The question is does the Bible condemn homosexuality? I say it does and would challenge anyone to show the Bible to say otherwise.

Again, if you wish to debate this further, do it via PM.
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Postby NJel » Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:04 am

Homosexuality is a life I came from. I know I'm sort of shooting against the wind here when discussing this topic, but homosexuality is no more evil than any other sin listed in the Bible. Lusting after other women while in marriage, lusting after other women period even if it's outside of marriage. It is true that our carnal nature desires these things, but that is why we are told to crucify our flesh daily so that we are able to combat these spiritual desires.

90% of our battle takes place in the mind, because if the devil can make us just a little bit open-minded to what may "seem" acceptable then we have officially given him the authority to take foothold in our mind. I battle my spiritual mind daily, so I know for a fact that it's easier said than done.

The Bible, yes, condemns the act of homosexuality, but never condemns the homosexual. It is only when we give in to the acts of sin and our lustful desires when we are condemned, but the key difference between us now, and us then, is that we have Jesus Christ to cleanse us wholely, so we do not have to die; however, if we reject Jesus and what he did for us on the cross, then we have died and are cut away from him unless we repent and re-dedicate our lives to him.

I, myself, am a homosexual, but I do not act on my lust, and whenever lustful thougths portray in my mind I try my hardest to rebuke them in Jesus' name. It's a struggle, trust me, namely because I was involved in it actively since I was 12; however, I am now abstinent and flee from temptation whenever it strikes me. In this world, it's hard to flee from anything. I've tried to lock myself away from the world, but let me tell you, it drives you NUTS.

What's sad is I still get criticism for being who I am. I'm not afraid to admit that, unfortunately, yes, I am homo, but I do not let that label define me, because God has a different label for me: Christian. I'm not perfect, and it is what I struggle with the most, but, while the devil may win his battles, I know he will NEVER win the war. I keep the message in my heart that Christ rose from the dead, died on the cross for my sins, and one day, when this is all over, I will be cleansed WHOLELY in Jesus name of everything that makes me unclean! :dance:

What delivered me from my lifestyle? Loving parents and friends. Amazingly enough, it took men to deliver me, because they surrounded me with the brotherly love I had been looking for in the wrong places. It then dawned on me that the reason why some christians, some, have a hard time delivering people like me to Christ is because they are focused on the wrong message. They are too busy trying to turn gays straight instead of bringing them to God.

Look at me. I am gay, and I am a perfectly healthy christian who witnesses blessing every day of his life. What's my secret? I surround myself with brotherly love daily to ensure it stays forged in my memory that the devil is a liar and that life is not for me. I REFUSE to go back to it, and I have actually found myself becoming furious at certain objects that remind me of my past, so, naturally, I now need help in another area of my life lol PATIENCE! :D
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Postby NJel » Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:18 am

It definately is normal for the carnal mind to desire such things (biological) because we are all infected by sin (if we say we are without, then we deceive ourselves); however, that is why God gives us instruction in His Word about such things (crucify your flesh daily) so we do not succumb to these temptations/desires.

In this post, though, I'm requesting prayer for my battle with Lust. As I said in my introduction, I am fighting a battle with sins of my "Yaoi" lifestyle, and I'm having a hard time trashing it. I know, in my carnal state, it's a part of me and I can't simply ignore it, but I am asking God for the strength to have victory over it so it can not control me any longer.
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Postby Prince Asbel » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:08 pm

Well, you certainly have my prayers, NJel. I don't know when I'll be able to respond to your other thing though, since I came down with a bad cold today.
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Postby NJel » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:52 pm

It's okay take your time, and you have my voice in agreement for your healing because Christ has said, 2000 years ago, that you were healed by His stripes. :)

So your cold will be no more in Jesus name. ^_^
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Postby Aleolus » Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:26 pm

Hmm. You know something? It feels really weird to walk around with only a fraction of your normal sex drive. Don't want to go too in detail (no, it has nothing to do with an injury or anything bad), but a short while ago my sex drive was cut to a bare fraction of what it normally is. I have assurances that it will be put back to normal, but for now, it's both annoying and nice to not have to fight it near so hard >.>
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Postby Prince Asbel » Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:56 am

Alright, praise God! When you work hard at gaining sexual purity, that's one of the results. The author of Every Young Man's Battle actually said that those with tougher struggles have overbuilt their sex drive, and that when they work at their problem, their drive begins to grow smaller, and the struggle gets easier. And that is 100% true.
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Postby NJel » Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:19 pm

No kidding.

As I stated before I actually went abstinent. Do you have any idea how hard it is to go from being a sex addict to having zero sex for about (counts the months) 11 months now? XD

I'm sure if I didn't have God on my side right now I'd have done driven myself insane from the lack of control I used to have. I still struggle with it, but you are right it does get increasingly easier to deal with it. I just sort of put it all up into a ball and threw it away. VERY hard to do, at least for me it was.
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Postby Aleolus » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:47 pm

Weeeellll, to be perfectly honest, it wasn't my doing at all. God did do it, I'm sure, but he did it through someone I communicate with, who did this because she couldn't think of any other way to get me to change >.> Like I said, don't want to go into details, but I'm not sure if I should be happy or upset, seeing as it's having a lot of positive effects, but it's supposed to be a punishment <.<
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Postby Prince Asbel » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:45 am

I'm... assuming you mean your girlfriend?

Hey, I didn't get through it on my own either. My Mom and Dad were the prime factors that got me on the ball. I'm sure if I continued in it they would have had me move out of the house. Sure, it's like punishment, but the whole point to punishment is to get the person doing wrong to get back to doing right. That can be done mutliple ways. If you are talking about your girlfriend (Or let's just say if person X was talking about their girlfriend), then I can see the girlfriend threatening to break their relationship to get their boyfriend back on the right track. It all has to do with what motives are behind the punishment, you know?
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Postby Aleolus » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:58 am

*sigh* She is insisting that I clarify she is not my girlfriend, nor is she a significant other in any way. She's just been helping me deal with my issues, because she can see where I would have gone if I didn't deal with them, and she knew how to get me to deal. >.> Don't ask, it'll only make your brains hurt. <.<
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Postby SnEptUne » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:26 pm

I admire your family, Prince Asbel, unlike mine that deemed anything religion is "evil", and how I am expected to be lustful, etc... And don't even get me started at their practices. Now that I think about it, it could be because of how upsetting I was with them that I didn't fell into sexual temptation (for I would have rather hung myself before I will become like them), so I should be thanksful about it.

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Postby Prince Asbel » Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:14 pm

Aleolus (post: 1259581) wrote:*sigh* She is insisting that I clarify she is not my girlfriend, nor is she a significant other in any way. She's just been helping me deal with my issues, because she can see where I would have gone if I didn't deal with them, and she knew how to get me to deal. >.> Don't ask, it'll only make your brains hurt. <.<


Must... resist... urge... to... ask... :hits_self

;);) Whatever. It's just good that you're on the right track.
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Postby MangArtist » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:37 am

*sigh* I really need prayer.... It's been getting a lot harder to stay away from porn. I'm at a point where I can hold it back, but I'm just on the verge of breaking.
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Postby Prince Asbel » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:44 am

You got it.
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Postby SnEptUne » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:05 am

And what is more depressing about all this lust thing is that, society expects (and thus demands) men to be horny and lustful in their teenage years. Even if there is a biological tendency for lust, it does not mean we must lust. It makes me feel so inhuman/abnormal for disliking nasty thoughts. Or is it because of the visible miniority that I am deceived into believing others to expect lust, and thus they are only fulfilling my expectation of their expectation of expecting lust? Oh my head.
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Postby animechica » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:54 pm

SnEptUne (post: 1264265) wrote:And what is more depressing about all this lust thing is that, society expects (and thus demands) men to be horny and lustful in their teenage years. Even if there is a biological tendency for lust, it does not mean we must lust. It makes me feel so inhuman/abnormal for disliking nasty thoughts. Or is it because of the visible miniority that I am deceived into believing others to expect lust, and thus they are only fulfilling my expectation of their expectation of expecting lust? Oh my head.


I don't think society created the problem, it's basic biology that most people in their teenage years are going to be horny. What society HAS done is allowed its media to take that fact of nature and use it to gain profit through playing up sexuality in advertising, movies, and the fashion industry. Of course, NOW society expects it because it's "normal", but it didn't used to be like that.

But I gotta say, it's definitely not abnormal for disliking nasty thoughts. I am one of those people who is ashamed to say that I do have those thoughts somewhat frequently, but I am also disgusted by them because PEOPLE ARE MORE THAN SEX. Some of the best and most memorable times with my boyfriend, who I want to share sex with someday (MARRIAGE! haha), were when we were having fun with absolutely no sexual undertone at all. In fact, if you had walked into the room at that time, you might have assumed we were just really good platonic friends. Those are the times I love best, and I hate the porn industry and the sex-saturated culture where "real" men are horny animals and "real" women are their pretty sex toys. It's disgusting, but we are trapped in this cycle that ultimately leads to destruction of real, loving relationships.

I hate it... sex is an awesome thing, but the abuse of sex has ruined so many peoples' lives. This is an excellent example of what happens when people don't even attempt to follow God's commands of not committing adultery/lusting... myself included... =/
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Postby SnEptUne » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:08 pm

Sapphi (post: 1265028) wrote:I don't think society created the problem, it's basic biology that most people in their teenage years are going to be horny. What society HAS done is allowed its media to take that fact of nature and use it to gain profit through playing up sexuality in advertising, movies, and the fashion industry. Of course, NOW society expects it because it's "normal", but it didn't used to be like that.

But I gotta say, it's definitely not abnormal for disliking nasty thoughts. I am one of those people who is ashamed to say that I do have those thoughts somewhat frequently, but I am also disgusted by them because PEOPLE ARE MORE THAN SEX. Some of the best and most memorable times with my boyfriend, who I want to share sex with someday (MARRIAGE! haha), were when we were having fun with absolutely no sexual undertone at all. In fact, if you had walked into the room at that time, you might have assumed we were just really good platonic friends. Those are the times I love best, and I hate the porn industry and the sex-saturated culture where "real" men are horny animals and "real" women are their pretty sex toys. It's disgusting, but we are trapped in this cycle that ultimately leads to destruction of real, loving relationships.

I hate it... sex is an awesome thing, but the abuse of sex has ruined so many peoples' lives. This is an excellent example of what happens when people don't even attempt to follow God's commands of not committing adultery/lusting... myself included... =/


I agree completely. People are more than sex. In fact, treating sex as the focus of a relationship is plain destructive and fragile. In some other cultures, such as an non-urbanized rural villages which doesn't even have electricity, men are quite respectful of women, they wouldn't stare at them even if they are walking around naked.

But in American, if a women is walking around naked, people would stare at them non-stop. Why the big difference? Are the people in rural village biologically different? I doubt it. Thus, I believe it is society and media conditioning that shape people that way.

That being said, I am not without impurity. During my teenage years, I start finding girls attractive, even fake anime girls. Thus, I spend my entire teenage years studying for schoolwork non-stop. To be a perfect student meant I will have no time to think about girls, which works.

However, school only last so long. I am graduating from university in a few months, and I have more time than ever recently (since I only need one more course to graudate). Perhaps because I am taking a psychosexual course, with professor talking about things such as anal-sex, beast-sex, child molesting, masterbation, etc... every single class. I started noticing girls again, and would feel butterfly in my stomach if women are showing off their thighs by wearing ultra-short shorts, or women wearing clothes that show off cleavage.

As a women, there is no hard feeling when another one is wearing skimpy dress simply because people would not expect you to stare. But it is an entire different ball-game for men. As a man, there is no way I can assimilate and become insensitive of such feelings. It has gotten so bad recently that I would even feel funny when I see anime female characters, or hear women singing in high pitch.

What can I do when I am getting arroused against my will? Avoid anyone who is female? Get ego-defensive about them? I am a hardcore feminist and such feeling is weighting me down like a rock. There is no way I can be fair if someone will make me feel different just because she is female.

Sometimes, I even contemplate poking out my eyes, but that would only hurt everyone.

Thanksfully, I am doing fine today. Sometimes, I wonder if the moon have anything to do with it. :p
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Postby xblack_x_rosesx » Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:35 am

SnEptUne (post: 1268897) wrote:Sometimes, I even contemplate poking out my eyes, but that would only hurt everyone.

Thanksfully, I am doing fine today. Sometimes, I wonder if the moon have anything to do with it. :p



Hey..

Yeah, I'm being creepy and reading threads that I'm not really participating in.. >.> But I am now, soo...

And don't poke your eyes out =p. As someone who is very "open minded", I get where you're coming from. I don't know if it gets easier, or harder, or whatever, but you're in my prayers.

On a more selfish topic, me, I'm finally taking some initiative on the "no sex" with the boyfriend thing. This is the first time I'm admitting it, and its hard for me, but I definetely believe I've allowed myself to have sex. We haven't had sex, persay, but we've gone as far as we could go without complete... erm... penetration. So basically, I convinced myself that because we weren't "finishing" it wasn't sex, but I realize now that that is so not true.
I feel so dirty and disgusting, and I would always pray about it and tell God I would stop.
But I never did because of my, well, sex drive.
So we agreed other forms of sex would substitute our almost sex, but even then I knew that it was wrong.

So, I'm cutting it out entirely. What Sapphi said about memorable times with her boyfriend being when there was no sexual undertone made me want to cry, because thats excatly how I feel. But that's not how its been with us, we have fun together, then go at it.

Anyway, I'm not asking for prayers, because it's entirely my fault and its up to me to fix it, and I'd feel guilty having someone pray over something that is my choice.
But I do need Gods support on this one, and I'm really working at it this time.

Anyway, thanks.
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Postby Prince Asbel » Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:16 pm

I'll be praying for you two. ;) And good for you, xblack_x_rosesx. You did the right thing.

SnEptUne (post: 1268897) wrote:As a women, there is no hard feeling when another one is wearing skimpy dress simply because people would not expect you to stare. But it is an entire different ball-game for men. As a man, there is no way I can assimilate and become insensitive of such feelings. It has gotten so bad recently that I would even feel funny when I see anime female characters, or hear women singing in high pitch.


Yeah... It is definitely harder for guys. Our bodies are constantly telling our brains that we need sex. A LOT. And when we can't get the real thing, our bodies out of desperation seek stimulation from whatever form we can get it. Visually, audibly, mentally, etc. I've never had a problem with singing though... Hm.

SnEptUne (post: 1268897) wrote:What can I do when I am getting arroused against my will? Avoid anyone who is female? Get ego-defensive about them? I am a hardcore feminist and such feeling is weighting me down like a rock. There is no way I can be fair if someone will make me feel different just because she is female.


Basically, if you keep exposing yourself to things that turn you on, you will only make it harder. Your will to be pure will become strong if you don't keep feeding your sex drive. Then when you see a picture or hear some sound that may turn you on, if you immediately bounce your eyes away or cover your ears, you won't become aroused against your will. Maybe you could revisit discussing sex and things like that when you're married and you have someone to accomodate your needs. But before then, you will only make it harder for yourself.

Oh, and I recommend you get married as soon as possible.
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Postby xblack_x_rosesx » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:54 pm

Your will to be pure will become strong if you don't keep feeding your sex drive. Then when you see a picture or hear some sound that may turn you on, if you immediately bounce your eyes away or cover your ears, you won't become aroused against your will.


I second that.
I mean, we all get aroused against our will. I mean, I'll just look at my boyfriend and be aroused, and won't want to, or I'll see a really attractive women and get aroused- I don't mean to, but it happens.
I think it's kinda just... pushing those thoughts out of your head and getting control of it. Easier said then done, but... control ><;;
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Postby MangArtist » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:47 pm

I'm having a hard time...Slipped up a few minutes ago.... This is annoying..... Like last month, I could avoid stuff 98% of the time. Now it's like 2%.... -_- And the thing is.... Taking a break from the internet wouldn't really do much 'cause I could always draw the crap......

So prayer would be appreciated. ^_^
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Postby Prince Asbel » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:18 pm

Already done. :thumb:
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Postby Sakaki Onsei » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:26 pm

As a fellow fighter against the evil that works overtime (Clean for 37 days and counting! You can do it too!), Ye are in my prayers, Sir Mang-a-rtist!
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Postby Aleolus » Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:47 am

>_< I am having a lot of difficulties at the moment with sexuality in general. Fortunately, I have a girlfriend who I'm planning on marrying, and who is just as sexual as I am, so that will help (hopefully), but I'm still needing all the prayer I can get. Thanks.
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