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Postby Nightshade X » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:33 pm

NekoChan_C (post: 1245512) wrote:Wow, you guys are soo... negative! Most of you who are posting are only in your early twenties... you have plenty of time and plenty of other things to do until God brings the right person to you. dont stress. :)


Heh... part of this whole business for me is that, while I really hope a good strong (and sometimes romantic) relationship with a woman happens in my life, I've just never seen a good example of one happening. Leastwise, not in my own life.

It's not like I'm calling down some sort of ultra-pessimistic destiny over my life... I'm just being realistic. It doesn't look like it's gonna happen any time soon, especially how I am now. Besides... I have so many other things to think about... like how I'm going to convince a certain woman in my life that I don't need to be actively sexual right now in order to "find love".
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Postby Warrior 4 Jesus » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:57 pm

Er what NekoChan? Most people posting here aren't even 20.
But I know what you mean. I'm 24 and never had a girlfriend, and while I get very lonely at times (come friend's engagement parties/weddings) I need to exercise patience. Yes, focusing on your relationship with Christ (in the meantime) is a very good idea.
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:21 pm

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Fish and Chips wrote:Realism is when you know that you know nothing, but call it as you see it anyhow.

Corrected.

Haha, there is truth to this.

Fish and Nightshade, despite your decisions what you see to be real, your "perceptions" of "real" is exactly that: Your perceptions. It's how you perceive and internalize things. We are all our own worst judges.

Henceforth, your "reality" may not really be parallel with actual reality, because it's based on the perception of just yourself. Therefore, it's always good to get the thoughts and opinions of others whom you trust. ^_^
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Postby Tsukuyomi » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:30 pm

Mr. SmartyPants (post: 1245636) wrote:Haha, there is truth to this.

Fish and Nightshade, despite your decisions what you see to be real, your "perceptions" of "real" is exactly that: Your perceptions. It's how you perceive and internalize things. We are all our own worst judges.

Henceforth, your "reality" may not really be parallel with actual reality, because it's based on the perception of just yourself. Therefore, it's always good to get the thoughts and opinions of others whom you trust. ^_^


Wow Ryan.. ^__^

/me gives MSP a cookie \o.o/

That was very well said ^__^
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Postby Fish and Chips » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:57 pm

I did not want to take this thread into that territory. Please stop forcing my hand.

I'm in an uncharacteristically good mood, and I don't need this.
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Postby fairyprincess90 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:06 am

well here's what i've heard by pastors and great biblical leaders about husbands and their role and wives and their role and what the bible says..

the bible says at one point, husbands love your wives and wives honor (or respect) your husbands....and people have argued well shouldn't husbands respect their wives and wives love their husbands? here's the thing. women..usually don't have a problem "loving" men. it's in their nature to love and care for the man...but have you ever noticed they don't always respect them? that's why that's written to remind women of the thing they are forgetting...and men, most of them are good with respect..they know how to respect their wives but sometimes they don't always "love" them. so it's more of a reminder then saying "you must do this that way". so maybe the whole submission thing is that way aswell....because females wanna do everything themselves (some of them) and God is just reminding them of the thing they forget.


and everyone knows colors come in different shades and females and males come in different variates. not all are the same. the color purple has many shades yet all are considered "purple" (let's not get technical here and argue about "no it's called fuchsia" lol) just like females can have different personalities and tastes but they are all "females". not because every one of them are exactly the same but because they are grouped into a category that God designed for them. so if you don't want to marry a man because "men are jerks" or "men are [fill in the blank]" just remember that not all are the same. not all men have to be the leader of the family. some families work better that way but it doesn't have to be that way for everyone.

the same house or same career isn't for everyone right? so just because someone does something one way and you do it another way doesn't make either of you wrong.

so if you don't want to marry...that's fine. if you want to...that's fine too.

people give me trouble because i'm going to be married hopefully in a year - year and a half. i'm only 18 right now. everyone argues saying i'm too young. but for me i feel i'm at a perfect age. doesn't mean i think everyone whos 18 should get married...everyone is different.


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Postby Nate » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:57 am

ich1990 wrote:I have sworn off romantic relationships until age 25 for the express purpose of trying to improve myself enough to be worthy of one. After that.... well, we will see how I do.

I don't know if that will help given that my first relationship was at age 24 and well...it exploded horribly due to my own stupidity. XD]despite your decisions what you see to be real, your "perceptions" of "real" is exactly that: Your perceptions. It's how you perceive and internalize things. We are all our own worst judges.

Henceforth, your "reality" may not really be parallel with actual reality, because it's based on the perception of just yourself.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to say that I don't agree with this at all. In fact, I'd say it's quite the opposite. Nobody knows us better than ourselves; there are things I know about myself that nobody else does, and that honestly, I wouldn't want anybody else to know. These are also the kinds of things that do not pop up in a casual conversation or the like.

That's why it frustrates me to no end when somebody says "You're such a great guy" to me. The fact of the matter is, I'm not, not in the least. They're making an opinion of me based off of limited interaction with me, where they likely haven't seen many of the more negative aspects of my personality, and as I said before, the things I have done that they simply do not know about.

We may be our own worst judges, but that doesn't mean that our judgment is incorrect.
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Postby ShiroiHikari » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:16 pm

Our judgment is not always correct either, though. Many of us can't see the same things about ourselves that others can. When it comes to our self-images, I think we need to have the opinions and observations of others from time to time so we can keep things in perspective. Thinking badly of ourselves will get us nowhere.

Chances are, the "bad" things we see in ourselves exist in others too. We just don't always see them. But we don't often look down on others because of those things. (Well, I don't anyway.) So why should we hate ourselves? Why be harder on ourselves than on others?
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Postby animewarrior » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:22 pm

and so it goes...

'neways Neko-chan I think that ppl here under 20 stress about love because basically ALL of our media has some aspect of romance in it. (aka if you aren't dating someone you're a loser) I think this is INCREDIBLY stupid. I'm a hopeless romantic and wear my heart on my sleeve (although I'd like to convince ppl otherwise) so I tend to stress about it. I guess what I'm trying to say here is that everyone here on CAA looking for love needs to look to God first and then their paths will be made straight. However, as we all know, us humans aren't the greatest at following directions...^^' so well that's all I have to say for now.

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Postby Prince Asbel » Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:23 pm

Nate (post: 1245734) wrote:Just saying that with age does not necessarily come wisdom.


This just made me laugh a little. It's because it's true. There are 20-30 year olds that are... well, ill equipped to feed their dog, let alone manage a romantic relationship. But since wisdom tends to come with age, people are still wary of marrying young, even if the young person in question already shows maturity that fits the level of a husband/wife.

By the way, has anyone ever got the impression that those who date for several years usually have the best marriages?
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Postby Warrior 4 Jesus » Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:17 pm

We can be our own worst critics too.

Fairyprincess, I agree with much of what you said but not this:

"not all men have to be the leader of the family"
there's a huge amount of responsibility there. Of course there are men unsuitable for such leadership but it's important for them to learn it then before marrying etc.

Yes, Prince Asbel. That's possibly because they know the ins and outs of each other better so they learn to love each other despite characteristics that provoke/annoy them.
Personally I think a person should have a relationship with the person for at least 1 year before marrying them. Again it depends on the couple, though these people who marry after only knowing each other a week or a month make me want to slap them upside the head to knock some sense into them. God gave us brains for a reason. It's high time we used them more.
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:29 pm

[quote="Nate (post: 1245734)"]I'd like to say that I don't agree with this at all. In fact, I'd say it's quite the opposite. Nobody knows us better than ourselves]
Well, ya know... God knows us better than ourselves. =p

Anette is correct. Not saying you're wrong, cause I believe this is an incredibly gray area. There are aspects of our lives that many people do not take account for, therefore it's easy for them to misjudge you because they don't know certain aspects of your life (Both positive misjudgments and negative misjudgments about your character) but if you're raised thinking negatively of things, you may think more negatively of yourself. As such, you internalize ONLY the bad things you think of yourself and you shape your own self-image as such. When you do good things, you reject those things as being a part of yourself.

Think of it as a wish-fulfillment cycle: You do something bad, as such you think of yourself as bad, Wish-fulfillment sets in where you start to believe that you are bad and you have no good qualities! Therefore, when you do something positive or good, you brush it aside as just a temporary "Yay I feel good" kind of thing. Eventually, you back to your groveling self where life's all dark and there's no hope and whatever. You do more stuff you regret, and then that pit of despair just grows bigger and bigger.

Ever hear of the Looking Glass Self? It's a sociological concept where you initially have a certain self-image of yourself. It may be good, bad, indifferent, whatever. Then you go out into the world and do whatever: Work, school, church, it can be anything. Here, you see how other people see of you. Or rather, your biased perception of what you think of how others see you. (Which can be different depending on how you feel about yourself prior to further self-evaluation) If you think or believe that other people see you as an awesome person, your sense of self is more positive. If you think or believe that others see you as a stupid or messed up person, then your sense of self is generally negative. Now, your perception may be that "all people see me as the scum of the earth". The resulting factor will be that you see yourself very poorly. However, this is based SOLELY on your perception. I personally think that you're a great and fun guy to hang around with. Argumentative and often seemingly-angry, yes. But for the most part I vastly enjoy your company and I think you have many good traits. Unfortunately, your self may be to the point where most positive affirmation may have very little effect.

Yes we all have bad traits about ourselves, but it's very possible for someone to be caught up so much in the negative that they fail to see the goodness of them. To much self-negativity and you're probably a really depressed guy. To much self-positivity and you look like a narcissist. A healthy mix of both along with the help and advice of others (And yeah Nate, do you have friends that know the darker side of you yet still have positive opinions about you) is what brings a healthy balance between the two.

And that is the psychology/sociology lesson for today.
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Postby fairyprincess90 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:47 pm

Mr. SmartyPants (post: 1245926) wrote:
And that is the psychology/sociology lesson for today.


YAY i love learning things like that hehe

animewarrior (post: 1245774) wrote: everyone here on CAA looking for love needs to look to God first and then their paths will be made straight.


I AGREE!

Prince Asbel (post: 1245912) wrote:
By the way, has anyone ever got the impression that those who date for several years usually have the best marriages?


hmm...not sure. my pastor got married after dating and knowing the girl ONLY FOUR MONTHS. and their marriage is awesome. but then...there's people (like my boyfriends sister) who've been dating for three years and still haven't gotten married because they still have a good ammount of kinks to work out of their relationship. and from all the marriages and relationships i know it's equal on both sides. 50% dated for a short time and 50% dated for a long time and they all have good marriages......so i dunno.

but it better to be safe and date longer than to end with a bad marriage and be sorry. you want to make sure you know practically everything (besides their private parts hehe) before you marry the person. that way you don't learn something you really really don't like about them after you made the vow. so my advice to everyone would probably have to be to date longer...
i've been dating my boyfriend for over a year and there's a few things that need to be worked on. that's why i'm waiting about another year.

but yeah. =]
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Postby GeneD » Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:32 am

I agree with NekoChan_C that people shouldn't write themselves off concerning marriage or relationships, we have no way of knowing what will happen or the plans God has for our lives.

Personally I don't know if I will get married, but I don't know if I won't either and since I don't have a boyfriend I'm not really going to worry about it too much right now.

My sister and her husband got married about a year after they started dating, but I know the Lord is with them and they will have a great marriage. On the other hand, my aunt, who was married for a number of years and has 2 kids, recently got divorced. I don't think there's a recipe for marriage, it depends on the people involved.

Sorry if this is long past the original point of your thread, minakichan.
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Postby Nightshade X » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:09 pm

GeneD (post: 1246032) wrote:I agree with NekoChan_C that people shouldn't write themselves off concerning marriage or relationships, we have no way of knowing what will happen or the plans God has for our lives.

Personally I don't know if I will get married, but I don't know if I won't either and since I don't have a boyfriend I'm not really going to worry about it too much right now.

My sister and her husband got married about a year after they started dating, but I know the Lord is with them and they will have a great marriage. On the other hand, my aunt, who was married for a number of years and has 2 kids, recently got divorced. I don't think there's a recipe for marriage, it depends on the people involved.

Sorry if this is long past the original point of your thread, minakichan.


And with that said, let's take it back to the studio. This is half of the current thread posters signing off.

Back to you in the studio, minakichan! :cool:
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Postby minakichan » Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:51 pm

Think of it as a wish-fulfillment cycle: You do something bad, as such you think of yourself as bad, Wish-fulfillment sets in where you start to believe that you are bad and you have no good qualities! Therefore, when you do something positive or good, you brush it aside as just a temporary "Yay I feel good" kind of thing. Eventually, you back to your groveling self where life's all dark and there's no hope and whatever. You do more stuff you regret, and then that pit of despair just grows bigger and bigger.

I think this is how I developed four years of depression. Nate, I honestly do not know you personally, and yes, that therefore makes it unfair for me to speak well of you, so I'm sorry about that. However, is it really bad of me to say that the fact that you can be nice and funny and interesting, even in the limited interaction that people on this forum have had with you, proves that you aren't totally terrible and you can still make people care about you? Probably yes, but I have yet to be convinced otherwise.

In other news OH RYAN, BLINDING US WITH PSYCHOLOGY.

And with that said, let's take it back to the studio. This is half of the current thread posters signing off.

Back to you in the studio, minakichan!

AHAHA I'm not quite sure what else to say. I have a lot on my mind, not sure if/when I'll think of how to write it or something.
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Postby Nate » Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:41 am

minakichan wrote:However, is it really bad of me to say that the fact that you can be nice and funny and interesting, even in the limited interaction that people on this forum have had with you, proves that you aren't totally terrible and you can still make people care about you? Probably yes, but I have yet to be convinced otherwise.

There is a distinct difference between a compliment and a generalization about my personality that I haven't quite figured out yet. For example, saying that I am nice, and funny, and interesting, although I may say "Ah I ain't all that," doesn't bug me, and I appreciate it. I think what pushes me to frustration is stuff like I said earlier, stuff like "You're a great guy" or something along those lines. And I don't mean the good kind of denial, like Jesus said, when He said "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." I mean the bad kind.

More often than not that line leads to nothing good...BUT I won't get into that. ><]In other news OH RYAN, BLINDING US WITH PSYCHOLOGY.[/QUOTE]
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Postby SnEptUne » Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:35 pm

minakichan (post: 1246295) wrote:I think this is how I developed four years of depression. Nate, I honestly do not know you personally, and yes, that therefore makes it unfair for me to speak well of you, so I'm sorry about that. However, is it really bad of me to say that the fact that you can be nice and funny and interesting, even in the limited interaction that people on this forum have had with you, proves that you aren't totally terrible and you can still make people care about you? Probably yes, but I have yet to be convinced otherwise.

In other news OH RYAN, BLINDING US WITH PSYCHOLOGY.


AHAHA I'm not quite sure what else to say. I have a lot on my mind, not sure if/when I'll think of how to write it or something.


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