Yeah, Saviour Machine is a brilliant example of Gothic Metal (i.e. Progressive Metal + Gothic Rock) in the vein of acts like Lacrimosa. Their lead singer, Eric Clayton, has both a remarkably powerful voice and profound theological and musical knowledge that makes their music quite special. The music itself is like a Wagnerian epic of apocalyptic hope. The lyrics are even written in didactic pentameter form to make them absolutely unforgetable. What other bands do you see that you like?HiddenWoodchuck (post: 1210394) wrote:Sweet, I see you have Saviour Machine on the playlist. I may have to give a listen sometime! I see a few on there that I know and like.
Yep, I reckon them there bands are pretty good, myself. I went and took that gander at Mortal, and they be Industrial musicians more potent than uncle John's moonshine, which is saying something.GrubbTheFragger (post: 1210638) wrote:Sweet deal. I see some good bands on the list. AFI, saviour machine, Echoning greenm, may i suggest a band if so you should take a gander and Mortal. I didn't see there name on the list at all
GhostontheNet (post: 1210418) wrote:Yeah, Saviour Machine is a brilliant example of Gothic Metal (i.e. Progressive Metal + Gothic Rock) in the vein of acts like Lacrimosa. Their lead singer, Eric Clayton, has both a remarkably powerful voice and profound theological and musical knowledge that makes their music quite special. The music itself is like a Wagnerian epic of apocalyptic hope. The lyrics are even written in didactic pentameter form to make them absolutely unforgetable. What other bands do you see that you like?
Yeah, I like those bands a lot myself, which is why I broadcast them. Skinny Puppy has something of a steeper learning curve than most musicians. The very first time I hear any of their albums, they make me freak out really bad because they sound so dark, chaotic, and spooky. Repeat listens, however, make me realize the hidden structures of the songs, and the music becomes incredibly helpful in releasing the worst emotional tensions and feelings of loss of control wrought by the concrete jungle. As to the bands you recommended:HiddenWoodchuck (post: 1211348) wrote:Yeah, I agree with all you said. The music really is unforgettable. I have been a big supporter of their music for a while. I just came across the music by random one day, several years back, and I loved it. Some of the others I see on there, that I like are: Evanescence, The Echoing Green, mewithoutYou, Joy Electric and I-Dragon-I. I like a couple songs by Skinny Puppy. I don't think I know any of the others yet.
I have a couple suggestions... not specifically for the radio, but that you may like to listen to. I dunno, you may have heard of these bands, but thought I would see. These are myspace pages that you can listen to the music on:
http://www.myspace.com/ever - http://www.myspace.com/lunarclick
http://www.myspace.com/centurysleeper - http://www.myspace.com/cosyns - http://www.myspace.com/deltas
GhostontheNet (post: 1211362) wrote:Yeah, I like those bands a lot myself, which is why I broadcast them. Skinny Puppy has something of a steeper learning curve than most musicians. The very first time I hear any of their albums, they make me freak out really bad because they sound so dark, chaotic, and spooky. Repeat listens, however, make me realize the hidden structures of the songs, and the music becomes incredibly helpful in releasing the worst emotional tensions and feelings of loss of control wrought by the concrete jungle. As to the bands you recommended:
Ever - I've been aware of Ever from some of the earliest days I got into Gothic music through the Midnight Cathedral compilation. While they're very good, I've mostly been thirsting for other bands' music for one reason or another. I'll probably pick them up in time.
Lunarclick - Not a bad Electro-Goth band. My station aims to revive the more Old-school Goth sound though, so I'm not terribly likely to play them.
Centurysleeper - This is what happens when you take brilliant guitar work and add in a fairly lame Goth vocalist. This band will be incredible when their vocalist improves or when they replace him.
Cosyns - That is some really potent Progressive Metal!
Delta-S - I've been aware of Delta-S since my early days of getting into Gothic and related music genres when ChristianIndustrial.net was as important to me as my station seems to be to some of my listeners. They're pretty good, though maybe just a bit risque at points.
I'll assume that since half of your bands are actually Symphonic Metal acts that you're looking for musicians that fuse Gothic rock with Progressive Metal (Gothic Metal) with perhaps just a bit of Industrial influence (as seen in Evanescence). Several albums come to mind.Danderson (post: 1212942) wrote:Know any Christian goth rockers that sound similar to Evanescence, Nightwish, and/or Within Temptation? With the amazing and sometimes haunting orchestrations along with great rocking anthems?....
Golly, thanks. Its good to hear I have another kindred spirit musically. I really don't recommend my station for studying or doing homework, where you have to sync with somebody else's ideas. For stimulating creative thought of your own, however, I would strongly suggest it.Doubleshadow (post: 1216413) wrote:I finally found time to listen. Oh, I think I'm in love, and I'm not prone to hyperbole or expressing empty sentimentality. This is most excellent. The only downside is I can't listen to it while studying or during homework because half my brain will be dissecting and analyzing the songs.
ich1990 (post: 1217600) wrote:I have just started listening to gothic and industrial music (mostly through christianindustrial.com and your radio station). It has been a little extreme for me, but I am starting to get used to it. Anyhow, I have listened to and researched all the christian goth/metal/opera/industrial bands I have found. I hope to find a good cd to buy when I have the cash. What would you reccommend as a good starter christian goth/metal/opera/industrial album?
So far, the two most promising bands are Saviour Machine (I like the 'Soundtrack to the end of the world' theme of their legend series) and Virgin Black (I like what little of their cd Requiem: Mezzo Forte that I have listened to.). Which of these bands/cds would you recommend? Are there other, better christian bands from this genre that I am missing?
Thanks in advance.
I think whenever you start to listen to a new genre of music, its best to start with something that will introduce you to its basic ideas and lay groundwork to build upon. I personally started my collection with Floodland and First And Last And Always, both by The Sisters of Mercy. For a starter album, I recommend getting Sacrificial Etchings by The Awakening, which can be purchased here. A while ago, I was working on a blog titled 13 Goths: 13 CDs To Begin Haunting Your House With Gothic Music that was intended to help newcomers kickstart their collection. Here's the list of what I came up with, which comes complete with purchase links from reliable vendors:ich1990 (post: 1217600) wrote:I have just started listening to gothic and industrial music (mostly through christianindustrial.com and your radio station). It has been a little extreme for me, but I am starting to get used to it. Anyhow, I have listened to and researched all the christian goth/metal/opera/industrial bands I have found. I hope to find a good cd to buy when I have the cash. What would you reccommend as a good starter christian goth/metal/opera/industrial album?
So far, the two most promising bands are Saviour Machine (I like the 'Soundtrack to the end of the world' theme of their legend series) and Virgin Black (I like what little of their cd Requiem: Mezzo Forte that I have listened to.). Which of these bands/cds would you recommend? Are there other, better christian bands from this genre that I am missing?
Thanks in advance.
GhostontheNet wrote:This list should be helpful to all newcomers interested in Gothic music, and consists of my all-time favorites.
GhostontheNet wrote:As to operatic Gothic Metal bands, I will save my comments for my next post.
Here is the promised second part of my post where I deal with other aspects of your posts and GrubbTheFragger's input. Now that I think about it, your query about Operatic Gothic Metal bands is so similar to Danderson's that my recommendations there apply here as well. Of Saviour Machine's work, I think Saviour Machine II is the ideal starting place. As to Virgin Black, as good as Requiem: Mezzo Forte is, I don't recommend getting it until you have some copies of different versions of the Requiem Mass in your collection. Pick up the versions of the original Requiem Mass composed by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Gabriel Fauré, and Karl Jenkins, and you will enjoy Virgin Black's Requiem at least three times as much when you finally get it. Instead, I suggest you try Elegant.... and Dying for your first Virgin Black album.ich1990 (post: 1217600) wrote:I have just started listening to gothic and industrial music (mostly through christianindustrial.com and your radio station). It has been a little extreme for me, but I am starting to get used to it. Anyhow, I have listened to and researched all the christian goth/metal/opera/industrial bands I have found. I hope to find a good cd to buy when I have the cash. What would you reccommend as a good starter christian goth/metal/opera/industrial album?
So far, the two most promising bands are Saviour Machine (I like the 'Soundtrack to the end of the world' theme of their legend series) and Virgin Black (I like what little of their cd Requiem: Mezzo Forte that I have listened to.). Which of these bands/cds would you recommend? Are there other, better christian bands from this genre that I am missing?
Thanks in advance.
Thank you! As per your recommendation, I've recently placed an order for Nu-En-Jin and Godspeed by Mortal, which should arrive in the mail over the next week or so. I'm sorry to hear, however, that you are so reluctant to listen to any Industrial other than Mortal and a bit of Nine Inch Nails. I have a feeling that if you gave them the chance, you would immensely enjoy bands like Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly, Stromkern, and Project Pitchfork.GrubbTheFragger wrote:Go with Savior Machine and Virgin Black IMO. Ghost can probably give you better ideas but Virgin Blacks Mezzo Forte is an amazing and beautiful album. I highly HIGHLY recommend them before anyone else i can think of. There newest album Mezzo Fotismo is steller as well but does not have the scope or granduer that forte stands with. And for christian idustrial industrial deffently go with the band Mortal and there album Nu-en-Jin it is the only industrial album (other than some clean Nine inch nails songs) i will listen to.
The bands listed essentially fall into four categories. A) Christians producing Christian music that does not suck. B) Christians producing secular music influenced by their faith. C) Secular musicians whose music is mostly neutral or even supportive of things that relate to the faith. If you wish, I can be more concise in what each band believes. Every band on this list certainly meets your criteria of "good bands with good lyrics". In fact, I promise they will change your life. Each of the merchants I linked to provide audio samples of the music they sell, so you can listen to these CDs this way. The Myspace profiles for each of these bands are as follows:ich1990 wrote:Are all of those bands christian, or do they at least have neutral lyrics? I prefer to support good bands with good lyrics. Also, do you know of any place were I can prelisten to some of these songs (I found some myspace music for "Sisters of Mercy", but not "The Awakening")?
GhostontheNet (post: 1217917) wrote:
Thank you! As per your recommendation, I've recently placed an order for Nu-En-Jin and Godspeed by Mortal, which should arrive in the mail over the next week or so. I'm sorry to hear, however, that you are so reluctant to listen to any Industrial other than Mortal and a bit of Nine Inch Nails. I have a feeling that if you gave them the chance, you would immensely enjoy bands like Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly, Stromkern, and Project Pitchfork.
Well, I would enjoy it if it had arrived in the mail, but its not late or anything so I have nothing to complain about. As to Front Line Assembly, in your case I would suggest you start with Artificial Soldier, which makes a good Industrial Music 101 album in general. Skinny Puppy is a pretty complicated band, but some of their albums like The Greater Wrong Of The Right, Too Dark Park, The Singles Collect, and Rabies are more accessible, and make a good place to start once one is ready for them. Its a funny thing: many heavy metal fans who have learned how to survive the harshest guitar work known to man still find themselves caught off guard by harsh electronics.GrubbTheFragger (post: 1217925) wrote:Actually i have been listening to some frontline assembly work. I am, really enjoying it. Can you give me a recommendation of a cd to start with? Also glad to here you enjoy Mortal Nu-en-Jin is fantastic. Skinny Puppy i am kinda iffy on i just think they are to "extreme" perse for me to start with. but i am sure with some given listen i will enjoy them.
GrubbTheFragger (post: 1217610) wrote:Go with Savior Machine and Virgin Black IMO. Ghost can probably give you better ideas but Virgin Blacks Mezzo Forte is an amazing and beautiful album. I highly HIGHLY recommend them before anyone else i can think of. There newest album Mezzo Fotismo is steller as well but does not have the scope or granduer that forte stands with. And for christian idustrial industrial deffently go with the band Mortal and there album Nu-en-Jin it is the only industrial album (other than some clean Nine inch nails songs) i will listen to.
GhostontheNet wrote:The bands listed essentially fall into four categories. A) Christians producing Christian music that does not suck. B) Christians producing secular music influenced by their faith. C) Secular musicians whose music is mostly neutral or even supportive of things that relate to the faith. If you wish, I can be more concise in what each band believes. Every band on this list certainly meets your criteria of "good bands with good lyrics". In fact, I promise they will change your life. Each of the merchants I linked to provide audio samples of the music they sell, so you can listen to these CDs this way. The Myspace profiles for each of these bands are as follows:
Please note that most bands go through radical changes throughout their careers, and these are no exception.
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