SpoonyBard wrote:Welcome! I'm pretty sure M is considered a sin. Partly because I've been raised to think so, but mostly because in my experience, there really isn't any excuse that isn't rooted in plain and simple self-gratification. The way I see it, that's why it leaves us feeling so rotten and shamed, or at the very least, doubtful. That's how the conscience works; if it troubles you that much, it's probably wrong. I'm not trying to come off sounding like I'm condemning you or anyone here, that's just the way it is, at least from my perspective.
HiddenWoodchuck wrote:Agreed well said. I'm seeing more and more people, who say it is just "human nature" and that if God didn't want us to "M" then He would not have given us arms. It's one of the stupidest things I have ever heard in my life... a lot of people that have said it to me, are in fact self proclaiming Christians... it just seems like an excuse for them to keep doing what they are. I don't mean to sound all angry, but it just upsets me, because it reminds me of being laughed at for wanting to quit, by other Christians... but just be careful about reading in to or listening to those who speak that way, it is very dangerous. That's just my opinion, I am no saint... but when someone says human nature, the first thing that comes to mind is sin.
Bard, I am praying for you happy to hear you are closer to breaking this habitual sin. I'm officially one day free of it... now, going for two!
Kunoichi wrote:Blitz,
THank you for praying for me. That strengthens my soul so much just to know someone is praying and someone cares. I need that so much right now because their is no one I can talk to. Except God.
Financial is not just the issue either, I've been with this company for over 8 years and it is my career. THere is no other place I can go to learn it and it is a one of a kind business.
Just give me prayer to say "no" and fight. I so want to be with the person God wants me to be with. I don't want to hurt anymore.
God is going to help me get out of this. I know he will.
I don't know how and if it comes to the point to where I lose my job...well God will have to provide for me. I feel so sick and hurt right now. I don't even want to keep living due to all this.
Will God give up on me too?
The reason why my friend has such a "emotional" hold on me is because when I had literally no one there for me, (mom wasn't around and I was pretty much raising myself at a young age), my friend was there helping me and supporting me. That is why it is so hard to say no to someone that helped you so much and was there for you so much. It is not simply the physical lust, it is a big emotional one too.
Blitzkrieg1701 wrote:I REALLY don't like it when people talk about M as being a substitute, and I don't really think it's the sort of senario where it stops being sin for certain people in certain situations. That said, I can't really argue with the "lesser of two evils" attitude, so long as that's really how it's understood. I guess it's all a matter of how you say it. As we all know painfully well, escaping these addictions is a gradual process. We have to grow as the Spirit works in us, and nobody grows in one giant leap. Our growth will show itself in falling less before not falling at all (and, of course, we're NEVER going to be perfect this side of Paradise). Indeed, some of the worst times I've let Satan beat the snot out of me have been when I got discouraged over not being all the way there yet. He's really good at taking a good goal and turning it into a terrible weapon by telling us to be impatient and discouraged that we're not already there. I guess the key is just plain old faith: faith that the Lord really IS still working in us and faith that we can't screw up too much for Him to do it.
Blitzkrieg1701 wrote:EDIT: To Okami: I REALLY don't like it when people talk about M as being a substitute, and I don't really think it's the sort of senario where it stops being sin for certain people in certain situations. That said, I can't really argue with the "lesser of two evils" attitude, so long as that's really how it's understood. I guess it's all a matter of how you say it. As we all know painfully well, escaping these addictions is a gradual process. We have to grow as the Spirit works in us, and nobody grows in one giant leap. Our growth will show itself in falling less before not falling at all (and, of course, we're NEVER going to be perfect this side of Paradise). Indeed, some of the worst times I've let Satan beat the snot out of me have been when I got discouraged over not being all the way there yet. He's really good at taking a good goal and turning it into a terrible weapon by telling us to be impatient and discouraged that we're not already there. I guess the key is just plain old faith: faith that the Lord really IS still working in us and faith that we can't screw up too much for Him to do it.
Lord God, I lift up my sister Okami to You as well. The grip these addictions have on us can be so strong, and the road to freedom from them can seem so long. Please, Father, grant her Your strength and Your prodection from these temptations and grow her even further in her walk with you.
In Jesus Christ's name I pray,
Amen
Aleolus wrote:Kun, first thing I have to say is that [SIZE="7"]GOD WILL NEVER GIVE UP ON YOU!!![/SIZE].
There. Hopefully that's emphasized enough. As for the rest, I know you don't know me real well, but if you ever want to talk, you can always send me a message, I'm always willing to be a shoulder to cry on.
As for dealing with your 'friend', does he know you are in a committed relationship and are wanting to be faithful to him? Is he the one making advances, or are you? If it's him, and he doesn't know, he needs to. Now. If he does know, then you need to remind him, gently but firmly, that you are wanting to stay faithful to the man you love, and as painful as it may be to hear, it isn't him. Make sure to tell him you are thankful for all the support he has given you, but that is going too far.
As for dealing with your own lusts, all I can say is that you have to master your body, or else your body will master you. A possibility might be that when your lust starting to rise, focus your thoughts on two things, and those two things alone. First thing, God. Second, your boyfriend. If you can keep yourself focused on those two things, then you might be able to hold out until you can get yourself away and deal with it in other fashions. I know this probably isn't the best advice, but it's all I have to give.
SP1 wrote:Well, I know this is a depression thread, but Happy New Year anyway! There's lots of struggling going on, I can see, but there's definitely been some major gains out there, so we keep praying.
Kunoichi (post: 1188174) wrote:*staggers then falls over at the insanely huge print!* lol
Yes to answer your question, he does know. He knows and I know and in fact we are both struggling with the same sin. Sigh* It doesn't have really anything to do with "physical lust" but rather just feeling loved. I know God loves me, I have Jesus as my personal savior, it is just..I don't know....maybe I am just so confused I do not know what real love is anymore
I may break it off with both, I just..gotta trust God to lead me in the right place. Thank you all for your prayers, encouragement and support. This has been the hardest thing for me to write about and well you all are the only ones that know about it , excluding God.
Hopefully as this 2008 rolls around, I will be able to beat this sin that has held me captive for over a year.
God bless everyone!
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