Minutes Till Midnight

[Raiden no Kishi]

Well, from what I'm hearing, it sounds like I might as well just download "What I've Done" by itself from iTunes [I like that song] and skip the rest of the album. 'Tis a shame, though. I really like a lot of LP's stuff [except the Jay-Z period].

.rai//

[Kkun]

Well, from what I'm hearing, it sounds like I might as well just download "What I've Done" by itself from iTunes [I like that song] and skip the rest of the album. 'Tis a shame, though. I really like a lot of LP's stuff [except the Jay-Z period].

.rai//

WHY does everyone keep talking trash about the Jay-Z period? Collision Course is awesome. Jay-Z is an excellent rapper. I don't get that.

[Tommy]

It sounded cool, but it was too curse-filled for me to enjoy.

I still listen to "Numb-Encore."

It shouldn't even be refered to as that.
Didn't they just digital mix two songs into one in an EP.

Did they perform with each other?

[everdred12a]

...I now think they're sellouts and they're only concerned with dropping a Nu Metal image.

I don't think MTM is them being sellouts. To be honest, if you want to get into them being sellouts and dropping a Nu Metal image, that would REALLY be best represented by the period of time from Hybrid Theory to Meteora.

I praise LP for making this record. It's what they wanted to do, and they're finally branching out of their typical formula for records. I believe this is the most mature album LP has released to date. And you know, there's not a song on this record I don't like.

On the side note of the Collision Course record, I liked that one too. It was an entertaining record, although they could have done with one or two more songs. And yes, Tom, they performed together on MTV.

[Tommy]

Oh, they did?
I didn't know this.

Well, either way, if MTM is the style that they always aimed for then I salute them.

Regardless, I prefer the past sound.

[Stephen]

Music changes though. The bands that cling to one thing...most times get passed by. Or laughed at. Pretty much every major band...has changed slightly through time to keep up with things.

[Tommy]

It's cool they changed they style, but I just prefer their old stuff.

It's like Haste The Day.
Their style is different since Jimmy Ryan left.
Is it good?
Yes.
Is it AS good?
No.

I change my mind too much.
Here's my final opinion:
'They're not sell-outs. I just prefer their old style."

[Stephen]

Fair enough. I will admit, I don't love the new album or anything. I hate the fact that now it seems either Chester or Mike sings. They used to do well singing at the same time. It seems the backlash is pretty bad for this new album though...so they may end up going back on the next album. Who knows.

[Nate]

It's what they wanted to do

How do you know that, though? It's extremely possible they were forced to do something different by their production manager. Yes, I know, the band keeps saying that they were given complete control over the production, and had free reign to do what they wanted to, but I don't know if I particularly buy that. A band might say so-and-so, but that doesn't make it the truth. It could be the record label making huge pressures to cause this change, which has been known to happen behind the scenes.

I believe this is the most mature album LP has released to date.

If angstily screaming the f-word repeatedly while distorted guitars wail in the background is "mature," I'll take immature music any day. XD

I dunno. I just find it hard to believe that Linkin Park would abandon the unique sound that they had to sound like every other band out there. As I said before, "What I've Done" isn't a bad song. It isn't. It's just...boring. And it sounds like any cookie cutter rock group out there. I didn't like Linkin Park for sounding like everyone else, so why should I like them for changing to do just that?

And sorry, but I don't like politics in my music. As much as I dislike W, I don't want to pay money to hear Linkin Park scream obscenities about how much they hate the President. Linkin Park USED to have intelligent lyrics, now they just wanna scream the F-word and bash Bush. But hey, if that's your thing, more power to ya.

[Danderson]

And sorry, but I don't like politics in my music. As much as I dislike W, I don't want to pay money to hear Linkin Park scream obscenities about how much they hate the President. Linkin Park USED to have intelligent lyrics, now they just wanna scream the F-word and bash Bush.

They WHAT?!!!! NNNNOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know what's weird? A while back I was looking through their Hybrid Theory album cover (the section where they say thanks to everyone they know), and I think one of the guys (maybe two) gave thanks to God first (it might've been the lead singer....can't remember his name).

I don't know if that means anything, but if it does I sure pray that they get a wake up call......

[beau99]

They WHAT?!!!! NNNNOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know what's weird? A while back I was looking through their Hybrid Theory album cover (the section where they say thanks to everyone they know), and I think one of the guys (maybe two) gave thanks to God first (it might've been the lead singer....can't remember his name).

I don't know if that means anything, but if it does I sure pray that they get a wake up call......

Three members of LP are indeed Christians, including lead vocalist Chester.

But yes, they're not fans of the president.

[everdred12a]

How do you know that, though? It's extremely possible they were forced to do something different by their production manager. Yes, I know, the band keeps saying that they were given complete control over the production, and had free reign to do what they wanted to, but I don't know if I particularly buy that. A band might say so-and-so, but that doesn't make it the truth. It could be the record label making huge pressures to cause this change, which has been known to happen behind the scenes.

I believe they're doing what they want to do BECAUSE the record is different from their previous records. Believe me, if the record was something forced by the record label, I'm sure it'd be another Hybrid Theory clone. No, I can't say that I know for sure whether this is all LP pushing this record, but this is what I think. I'm sure both of their previous albums went Platinum (I don't care to go look), so how would it be a BAD business move to keep making the same music?

If angstily screaming the f-word repeatedly while distorted guitars wail in the background is "mature," I'll take immature music any day. XD

Have you listened to the whole record? The entire album maybe has... 10 f-words in it. I've heard worse. Most of the record takes a lighter tone than the previous LP records, which are where you're more likely to find some angsty screaming over distorted guitars in the background. I say that this is a mature album BECAUSE it branches out from what they've been doing. The band is maturing, and God forbid, changing their focus, direction, and sound.

I dunno. I just find it hard to believe that Linkin Park would abandon the unique sound that they had to sound like every other band out there. As I said before, "What I've Done" isn't a bad song. It isn't. It's just...boring. And it sounds like any cookie cutter rock group out there. I didn't like Linkin Park for sounding like everyone else, so why should I like them for changing to do just that?

Nothing about their sound before was all that unique. They were like most other Nu Metal bands, only LP managed to get massive commercial success through it.

And sorry, but I don't like politics in my music. As much as I dislike W, I don't want to pay money to hear Linkin Park scream obscenities about how much they hate the President. Linkin Park USED to have intelligent lyrics, now they just wanna scream the F-word and bash Bush. But hey, if that's your thing, more power to ya.

Intelligent lyrics? In Hybrid Theory and Meteora? Nate, there are FAR more intelligent bands out there than LP. But I respect your decision to limit the amount of politics in your music. Althought, not all of the record is political.

[Raiden no Kishi]

WHY does everyone keep talking trash about the Jay-Z period? Collision Course is awesome. Jay-Z is an excellent rapper. I don't get that.

Sheesh, over-react much? I just don't like the whole rap culture, so I'm opposed to it on principle. It's a matter of opinion, so there's no right or wrong choice.

.rai//

[Tommy]

Three members of LP are indeed Christians, including lead vocalist Chester.

But yes, they're not fans of the president.

Interesting.
You have the ability to read someone's heart and be aware of their true, personal beliefs?

I wish I could do that.

There are so many self-proclaimed Christians on this planet that aren't really, so please, don't take their word for it so easily.

Hitler thought he was a Christian.
That says something.

Meh, sorry for being irrelevant and judgmental.
7 hour shift today.

[Nate]

Hitler thought he was a Christian.
That says something.

WOOOOO! GODWIN'S LAW!

[Tommy]

I don't get what you mean by that.
Was that a snark remark in an attmept to mock me as you oh so commonly do?
Hm?

EDIT: I get it now.

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

[Nate]

Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

Godwin's Law does not dispute whether any particular reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued, that overuse of the Nazi/Hitler comparison should be avoided, as it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

There is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress.

Godwin's Law does not apply to discussions directly addressing genocide, propaganda, or other mainstays of the Nazi regime. Instead, it applies to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Hitler or Nazis. However, Godwin's Law can itself also be abused, as a distraction or diversion, that fallaciously miscasts an opponent's argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.

[Kkun]

Sheesh, over-react much? I just don't like the whole rap culture, so I'm opposed to it on principle. It's a matter of opinion, so there's no right or wrong choice.

.rai//

Hahahahahahaha.

This thread is soaked with testosterone.

[Tommy]

Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

Godwin's Law does not dispute whether any particular reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued, that overuse of the Nazi/Hitler comparison should be avoided, as it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

There is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress.

Godwin's Law does not apply to discussions directly addressing genocide, propaganda, or other mainstays of the Nazi regime. Instead, it applies to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Hitler or Nazis. However, Godwin's Law can itself also be abused, as a distraction or diversion, that fallaciously miscasts an opponent's argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.

He stated he knew Chester was a Christian like it was a fact.
We can never be 100% sure if ANYONE is a Christian.

[beau99]

He stated he knew Chester was a Christian like it was a fact.
We can never be 100% sure if ANYONE is a Christian.

It is a documented fact.

Look it up if you want.

[Tommy]

Give me a break, beau99.

I'm not sure you or any of the members here are Christrians, and I'm not going to just take some artist's word for it who doesn't seem to be glorifying God in his music at all. I'm not trying to say he can't be a Christian because his music has F words, I'm just saying I find it hard to believe that a Christian artist would use F words in their songs.

I guess I just don't understand.

Tell me, did he become a "Christian" before or after the song "Somewhere I Belong" was released?

[Stephen]

Ugh this arguement gets old. While I am sure you feel if someone is a Christian they should be doing Christian music...some of us realise that music can be used as a job. As a way to make money to support ourselves or family. Much in the same way that you or I would work somewhere. Thus, it is 100% possible for a person to be a Christian, and not do Christian music. But regardless, of your opinion on Chesters soul...why be judgemental? If he is saved, awesome. If he is lieing, thats a bummer..but who are you to stand back and go "Well obviously he is full of crap" Let God sort out who's saved and who's not. I don't know about you, but it never makes me feel better about my faith to question someone elses.

[Tommy]

I never said he's full of crap.

I never said I doubted his Christianity.

All I'm saying is, we can never know for a fact if someone is a Christian.

[everdred12a]

I never said he's full of crap.

I never said I doubted his Christianity.

All I'm saying is, we can never know for a fact if someone is a Christian.

FGS, Tom. Stop playing this silly literality game. No, you didn't DIRECTLY say he's full of crap, but you've done a good job implying it. LP may or may not be a band of Christians, but they're not a Christian band, and never were to begin with. And to tell the truth, I don't care one way or the other. Whether or not the group is comprised of Christians shouldn't hold that much import on the group as a whole. The fact that you seem to have some huge issue with it just goes to show how sanctimonious you are. If you like their music, then fine. If not, get over it and go flame somewhere else.

[Tommy]

I never flamed anything.

For all I know Chester could be saved, but how many actresses and actors claim to be Christians these days?

You're right, I'm having a hard time believing it but I never flamed anything.

I'm not sanctimonious, you're just completely defensive over your interests.

[everdred12a]

Arguing with a mod seems like a pretty good example of flaming. This isn't the first time it's happened, either. And, yes, you're right, lots of people may claim to be Christians and are doing so wrongfully. They'll get theirs in due time, but is that really the issue at hand here?

I had a good two paragraphs here set up to make my position on this known, but for the fact that it'd probably get mod snipped, I'm not going to include them. I'll say this, though. I'm probably no less guilty of it than you are at this point, but the fact that you've started this pseudo-persecution of Chester here isn't very Christian, and that is, in and of itself, sanctimonious.

[Tommy]

Intellectually debating over whether we know the lead vocals in Linkin Park is truly Christian or if he just thinks he is, is flaming now?

What will they think of next?

Anyways, back to Minutes to Midnight...

[everdred12a]

Way to miss the point, Tom. I got nothin' else to say.

[Tommy]

I apparantly did miss the point, because I see no point in your previous post.

[Zilch]

I gotta give it to ya, Tom. You've got a knack for walking into a thread and making things spontaneously combust.

Heard a few songs off MTM. As with many on this thread, I'm a fan of the older stuff, not due to content, just didn't care for much of the evolution. Thassall.