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Postby Radical Dreamer » Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:18 pm

Ah, that's interesting. They decided to call him "Kira" after all. XD That's cool. And I'm still impressed with the voices thus far. XD

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Postby ADXC » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:56 pm

[SPOILER]So at this point from what Ryuk said its a race to find out each other's identity. And then the one whose identity is found out first they are going to die.[/SPOILER] Also I doubt I should of used a spoiler, but thats in case anyone here either has not read the manga or has seen past the second episode.

I seem to finding this show even more interesting with each passing episode.
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Postby RobinSena » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:43 am

Wow. Just finished the second episode. Crazy awesome.
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Postby rocklobster » Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:05 pm

L sure is a crafty guy! These two are definitely evenly matched.
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Postby Yokuo » Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:29 pm

Just wait, it gets better. But episode 2 is one of my favorites.
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Postby Fish and Chips » Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:48 pm

Ah yes, episode 2. When distaste for Light Yagami began.

Food for thought from someone who's polished off the series: each of the central characters can be seen as a metaphor for justice. And one person mirrors "True justice" in the series, with every other character being, by degrees, a perversion of this ideal.

And you'll all have some fun figuring out who's who.
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Postby uc pseudonym » Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:25 pm

Fish and Chips wrote:Food for thought from someone who's polished off the series: each of the central characters can be seen as a metaphor for justice. And one person mirrors "True justice" in the series, with every other character being, by degrees, a perversion of this ideal.

That's an interesting thought. Personally, I agree everyone represents varying points on a continuum, but I wouldn't say that continuum includes what I'd call justice.

[spoiler]Are you thinking of L as "true justice"? [/spoiler]
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Postby Fish and Chips » Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:30 pm

uc pseudonym wrote:[spoiler]Are you thinking of L as "true justice"? [/spoiler]

[spoiler]No. L believes his ends justify his means. That is not true justice.[/spoiler]
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Postby bakura_fan » Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:42 pm

Fish and Chips wrote:[spoiler]No. L believes his ends justify his means. That is not true justice.[/spoiler]


I'm gonna throw my own guess out. [spoiler] I believe that might be matsuda. just from what i've read recently, he seems the best choice.[/spoiler]
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Postby Tenshi no Ai » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:14 pm

Gotta finish the anime when I can, on vol 11 of the manga, and just finished the 2nd Live-Action movie... AWSOME ending to that :) Exactly what I wanted: [spoiler] Light got screwed over by L (who LIVED... until after he was caught...) and got what he had coming and had caused others to suffer... Ahh The irony... [/spoiler]
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Postby Fish and Chips » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:10 pm

bakura_fan wrote:I'm gonna throw my own guess out. [spoiler] I believe that might be matsuda. just from what i've read recently, he seems the best choice.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Ha ha, Matsuda.

Nah, not Matsuda. He's willing, but lacks direction.[/spoiler]
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Postby Haruhiko » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:05 am

Episode 2 was awesome! The first one I was kinda' skeptical about the series, but this one put all doubts aside. I'm definately gonna' start reading the manga as well.
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:48 pm

RACE TO THE BEIJING OLYMPICS, MATSUDA!!!!

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Postby uc pseudonym » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:56 pm

Fish and Chips wrote:[spoiler]No. L believes his ends justify his means. That is not true justice.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Interesting. Who then? Personally, I would argue that the definition of justice is that your ends justify your means, but that's getting off the theoretical end. My first thought was L because he puts his ends (ie justice) before everything else, including human mores.

You could also make a case for Ryuk. I don't think that's who you mean, but think about it.[/spoiler]
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Postby Fish and Chips » Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:38 pm

uc pseudonym wrote:[spoiler]Interesting. Who then? Personally, I would argue that the definition of justice is that your ends justify your means, but that's getting off the theoretical end. My first thought was L because he puts his ends (ie justice) before everything else, including human mores.

You could also make a case for Ryuk. I don't think that's who you mean, but think about it.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Soichiro Yagami.

He assumes innocence until proven guilty. He is tireless in his pursuit of justice. He is self-sacrificing. He obeys and is subject to the laws he defends and upholds, which he holds as universal; in the beginning, Kira only strikes down the filthiest of criminals. Plenty of people would write this off as good riddance to bad garbage. Soichiro recognizes evil for evil, even when committed against the refuse and darkness of humanity. Kira is not a vigilante, he is a murderer, and his growing influence over humanity will not change the character of his crimes.

And most importantly, Soichiro is human.[/spoiler]
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Postby nanikore » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:48 am

Fish and Chips wrote:[spoiler]Soichiro Yagami.

He assumes innocence until proven guilty. He is tireless in his pursuit of justice. He is self-sacrificing. He obeys and is subject to the laws he defends and upholds, which he holds as universal; in the beginning, Kira only strikes down the filthiest of criminals. Plenty of people would write this off as good riddance to bad garbage. Soichiro recognizes evil for evil, even when committed against the refuse and darkness of humanity. Kira is not a vigilante, he is a murderer, and his growing influence over humanity will not change the character of his crimes.

And most importantly, Soichiro is human.[/spoiler]


That comes with an implication that "true justice" is somewhat naive and often does not prevail.
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Postby Fish and Chips » Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:57 pm

nanikore wrote:That comes with an implication that "true justice" is somewhat naive and often does not prevail.

Well, true justice doesn't necessarily have the best success tally.
[spoiler]Soichiro death could even be symbolic of the losing sight of what justice is in the pursuit of other matters.[/spoiler]
As for naivety, I'd rather associate that with innocence until proven guilty, although this character was also left out of the loop a fair bit.
[spoiler]Besides, no one EVER wants to suspect their own child.[/spoiler]
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Postby nanikore » Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:43 pm

Fish and Chips wrote:Well, true justice doesn't necessarily have the best success tally.


The audience has a sort of God's point of view, and divine justice always prevails- Everyone ultimately got their just deserts. This can be construed as a moral of the story :cool:

As for naivety, I'd rather associate that with innocence until proven guilty, although this character was also left out of the loop a fair bit.


"Proof" doesn't do much in my book. One look at the O.J. Simpson case tells us that. Also, proof can be manipulated to suit a particular agenda. See the following website for case studies of the sort of evils that comes from the manipulation:

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Postby uc pseudonym » Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:58 pm

Also on the recent topic:
[spoiler]Ah, for some reason he was completely off my radar in thinking about potential candidates. While I don't completely agree, I do think he represents a purer form of justice than most other characters. At the very least he upholds his definition of justice, which is more than can be said for some.[/spoiler]

In an effort to be somewhat more on topic: I should probably drop by Adult Swim's website at some point to hear the English voices. It wouldn't hurt to see L's introduction again.
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Postby Fish and Chips » Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:24 pm

I love the Internet. Everyone is so quick to shoot you down. With smiley faces tacked on even.

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Actually, it never occured to me either till I read a comment somewhere that the author had said as much in some kind of interview or questionnaire. And the more I thought about it, the more it made sense, comparatively speaking. "Purer form of" is probably the best label for it.

But yes, Divine justice for the win.
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Postby uc pseudonym » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:14 pm

Fish and Chips wrote:Actually, it never occured to me either till I read a comment somewhere that the author had said as much in some kind of interview or questionnaire.

Ah, he actually stated it? That explains why thinking about the series with that framework makes so much sense (disagree though we may about specifics).
[spoiler]In that case, what are we to make of his death mid-series? Is that symbolic of Light moving away from this ideal? At the time I expected the absence of his father to cause a major shift, but I don't recall one.[/spoiler]
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Postby Fish and Chips » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:22 pm

uc pseudonym wrote:Ah, he actually stated it? That explains why thinking about the series with that framework makes so much sense (disagree though we may about specifics).
[spoiler]In that case, what are we to make of his death mid-series? Is that symbolic of Light moving away from this ideal? At the time I expected the absence of his father to cause a major shift, but I don't recall one.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Most likely, the death of what Justice is in pursuit of its deviations.[/spoiler]
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Postby Felix » Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:59 am

[spoiler]Justice? I vote Sayu. :D[/spoiler]
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Postby KhakiBlueSocks » Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:53 pm

Episode 3 tonight, guys. I previewed it a bit on Adult Swim.com, and it looks pretty interesting.

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Postby rocklobster » Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:34 am

Man that Ryuk is playing Light like a violin!
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Postby Yokuo » Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:24 pm

No, he's not, not quite. Just wait.
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Postby Sohma » Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:02 pm

Does anyone have a quick/mini Death Note review? Just looking out for the main stuff like the sexual things, cursing and such. I'm not upsetted easily with demon/spirits (if there are any in this show) so you don't have to go into those details.
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Postby Sheenar » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:05 pm

Mostly, there's just a lot of violence....moderate cursing...not too much
One almost sexual situation --won't go any further --nothing inappropriate happens

No nudity so far.

This is all through ep. 2. I haven't seen 3 yet, so I don't know that far.
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Postby minakichan » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:35 pm

Death Note is rated OT more for concept than for content. There's really nothing that should put it above PG-13 except for the idea of a teenage mass-murderer.

Still doesn't stop pre-teen kids from thinking Light is really cool and worth emulating. That's what I'm really afraid of-- there's already tons of middle schoolers threatening their classmates that they'll write names in their cosplay notebooks. Stick this series on Adult Swim, and any preconceptions mainstream adults have about anime are going to get a LOT worse.
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