CAA: Christian Anime Alliance

I'm trying to watch naruto through bittorent, but I'm having some problems getting it downloaded or finding a good site. Can anyone help?

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download the torrent files, open torrent files via bittorrent, and wait patiently

and make sure you're not using the "official" BT client, use BitTornado (my favorite), Azureus, or even BitComet.

Isn't BitTorrent illegal copying off files? Seems to me anyway.

naruto isn't a lisenced anime. It's okay

yes, use azareus or bittornado.

Warrior 4 Jesus wrote:Isn't BitTorrent illegal copying off files? Seems to me anyway.

Not all copying is illegal.

this is one of the many gray areas of downloading. *shrugs* to each his own.

Isn't BitTorrent illegal copying off files? Seems to me anyway.

Mr.SmartyPants wrote:naruto isn't a lisenced anime. It's okay

technically just because it's not licenced in the US it's still licenced in Japan. Some companies in Japan are actually starting to fight pirating of this kind of stuff because they see it as stealing. Plus, th US usually wants to abide by copyright laws set up like they do in the US --anime included. ALthough there are no international copy right laws that apply world wide, some countries follow other nations copyrights. It's common curtiousy.

I mean, American companies pay royalities to the original producers of the series to distribute it, it's not like they get a free copy and start dubbing it. But I'll admit, I download things that aren't licenced in the US. Though, if I download a series and really like it, I usually buy it when it comes out.

Oh and Naruto is actually in bidding by like 4 companies trying to get the rights/licence. The bid has gone really high which will mean the dvd's will cost more. So soon, it'll be technically illegal to download naurto.

As of the moment the only company to take any action against fansubbing is Media Factory and that is because a particular group *cough*Lunar*cough* put out a series before the actual DVD's were available in Japan. Most companies understand that fansubbing can be a very useful way to get free advertising outside of the US, but the problem is groups that continue to sub AFTER an anime has been licensed

Which is where ADV has been cracking down heavily.

So yes, fansubbing is in a legal gray area and Japanese parent companies could EASILY take action and bring it to a legal halt, but like I said, why throw away a good source of FREE advertising?

Once again, direct linking to fansub or scanlation sites is prohibited on CAA.

blkmage wrote:Not all copying is illegal.

If it has a copyright, it is. Doesn't matter if it's licensed here or not. The Japanese company might not be able to enforce everything, but that doesn't mean they give free consent.

The law:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/overview.html
especially see here, here, and here.

The US is a signator of the Berne convention and therefore, the law is being broken when a copyrighted material is distributed without the consent of the rightsholder, whether American or not

Another good interpretation can be found here
http://members.tripod.com/~AvatarHR/legalfaq.html
(this guy later joined an anime distribution company and found out the law was stricter than he thought).
(Section 2.2 and following immediately relevent, as is section 6.3 and 6.31)

Yeah, there is such a thing as illegal copying. I was saying that not all copying is illegal, as is the myth that seems to be spreading, like how Bittorrent and other P2P automatically means ILLEGAL, which is not true. P2P is a great way of distributing large files, like many Linux distros and Blizzard's WoW open beta.

I agree that there are things you can legally exchange through Bittorrent, but anime and mp3's ARE NOT among them.

The problem as I see it, even if there are legit uses, a very large % are using it for illegal purposes. That's why the MPAA and RIAA are interested in shutting these places down.

As Christians, I think we are called to not break the law and as a result should neither send nor download copyrighted material.

Doesn't matter if it's licensed here or not. The Japanese company might not be able to enforce everything, but that doesn't mean they give free consent.

The US is a signator of the Berne convention and therefore, the law is being broken when a copyrighted material is distributed without the consent of the rightsholder, whether American or not

Yeah, that's what I was trying to get to.. you've said it better then I could .
I was going to say something abouta the " Berne Conventions" Treaty but I think your article about copyright laws stated it. My point was just because it's not licensed in the US doesn't mean it's legal to download them. Like I've said there is really no Unverisal law but many nations do try to abide to the Berne Convention treaty (and one other treaty).

Some new legislation proposed in CA (SB96) (can be downloaded here) proposes a $2500 fine and up to 1 year in prison for people who develop P2P software without reasonable safeguards to prevent illegal sharing. If it's not vetoed or thrown out as unconstitutional, it could have a big impact.

As used in this section, "peer-to-peer file sharing software" means software that once installed and launched, enables the user to connect his or her computer to a network of other computers on which the users of these computers have made available recording or audiovisual works for electronic dissemination to other users who are connected to the network. When a transaction is complete, the user has an identical copy of the file on his or her computer and may also then disseminate the file to other users connected to the network.

You mean like Internet Explorer? It certainly allows me to connect to other computers that have made available recording or audiovisual works for dissemination to other users who are connected.

Not a very well thought out law.

blkmage wrote:You mean like Internet Explorer? It certainly allows me to connect to other computers that have made available recording or audiovisual works for dissemination to other users who are connected.

Not a very good bill.

Well, I think they've already gone after people posting songs on websites.

I thought it was interesting because it becomes a whole different level of serious if it becomes law as opposed to just being lawsuits.