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Encrypting File System Toasts My Oats

Postby kryptech » Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:30 pm

A bunch of years back I'd discovered that with Windows XP I could set 'Encrypt' and 'Compress' attributes for files. I thought this was cool since by compressing old video footage I could shrink down the space it needed. And I used the 'Encrypt' attribute on my writings folder. It really wasn't necessary 'cause who was really going to poke around in my writings, but I guess I thought it was cool.

Well, last Sunday I got some weird problem that caused most programs to freeze up when trying to access the Internet (Firefox, Outlook Express, MSN, Filezilla, etc). I puzzled away for some time and then finally repartitioned the partition with Windows XP Pro and reinstalled it. All my data is on a second hard drive so I wasn't worried about that. Soon I had a squeaky clean system again, running nice and fast. I installed my programs and I was off and running on Monday evening. I thought I'd work on one of my stories while I was waiting for something to download. By Wordpad said that it couldn’t open the file. I was like, "Say what...?" I tried some other files in the folder (all with green filenames, showing they were encrypted) and I couldn't open any of them. My joy at having a new system was rapidly replaced with horror. :wow!:

I did a bunch of research online and discovered that Windows XP's Encrypting File System was working precisely the way it was supposed it. I never backed up any of my user profile stuff 'cause I didn't need any of it (or so I thought). My private key was well and truly gone. I considered looking into the possibility of recovering the partition and perhaps getting a hold of the files from the previous system but it didn't seem likely at all. I'm not sure quite how I'd even start...

Thankfully I managed to find copies of most of my writing online or on other computers. Still I lost my entire most recent story (not that long, but still it hurts). And I lost a big chunk of an old, unfinished piece, which I think I would have a hard time reconstructing from memory.

What really toasted my oats about this whole thing was that Windows XP gives no warning whatsoever when one encrypts files. I read the notes on EFS that I found in the XP Help and Support Center and they likewise give no warning that if the user profile is deleted the encrypted files are virtually useless. OK, so I guess I could have backed up my user stuff or read up on EFS but there was never any indication that there was anything to worry about. Maybe I'm just slow. Anyway, I won't be using EFS again! And I ordered a Comstar 320GB external hard drive today. Time for a regular backup routine. :shady:
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Postby LorentzForce » Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:57 pm

Yeah. Don't do that again. Just because it says you can and has no warning messages next to it doesn't mean you should.
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Postby KhakiBlueSocks » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:57 am

Yeah. That's what happens with Encrypted files in XP.

When you encrypt a file, it can only be opened by the computer that encrypted the file because it creates a "key". Reinstalling XP recreates the "key" which the file you encrypted doesn't recognize. It's as though you tried opening the file on another computer.
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Postby Warrior4Christ » Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:47 am

In computers with a "Trusted Computing Module" and Vista, it does the same thing, except the key is stored in hardware. You can't back it up.
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Postby kryptech » Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:41 am

I now understand roughly how EFS works. I guess I just got used to Windows' myriad warning messages preventing people from doing anything too stupid without knowing about it. But hey, you live and you learn.
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Postby Kaligraphic » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:36 pm

With proper key backup/recovery agents, EFS can be very useful. When you're doing things on your own, though, you have to remember that the files are encrypted.

There's a reason why it's hidden behind that "advanced" button.
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Postby kryptech » Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:18 am

Kaligraphic wrote:With proper key backup/recovery agents, EFS can be very useful. When you're doing things on your own, though, you have to remember that the files are encrypted.

It is a nice system for sure. Secure and very easy to use.
Kaligraphic wrote:There's a reason why it's hidden behind that "advanced" button.

All the fun stuff is behind the 'Advanced' button! ß-)
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