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Around the Jam Session forums it is clear that we all have radically different musical tastes, and also that we might not mind trying out new styles if only we knew where to start. Please help out by posting a type of music and then listing a few albums that give a good introduction to what that particular musical style is all about and what sort of sounds and themes to expect out of it. Some of my own picks are:

Gothic Rock:

The Sisters of Mercy - First and Last and Always
The Sisters of Mercy - Floodland
Screaming for Emily - Malice
Faith & the Muse - Evidence of Heaven
The Awakening - Sacrificial Etchings (Christian)
Batzz in the Belfry - Sparks Fly Upwards (Christian)

Industrial:

Front Line Assembly - Artificial Soldier
Mentallo & the Fixer - Where Angels Fear to Tread
Skinny Puppy - Too Dark Park
Stromkern - Light it Up
Audio Paradox - The Iniquity of Time (Christian)
Circle of Dust - Disengage/Refractorism (Christian)

Hardcore punk (not hardcore: hardcore punk) -
Refused - The Shape of Punk to Come
The Blood Brothers - Burn, Piano Island, Burn
Showbread - No Sir, Nihilism Is Not Practical (Christian)
Blindside - A Thought Crushed My Mind (Christian)
mewithoutYou - A->B Life (Christian)
The Chariot - The Fiancee (Christian, debatable, but this album has more in common with punk rock than hardcore, so I think it fits).


...I'll do some more later.

Kkun wrote:Hardcore punk (not hardcore: hardcore punk) -
Refused - The Shape of Punk to Come
The Blood Brothers - Burn, Piano Island, Burn
Showbread - No Sir, Nihilism Is Not Practical (Christian)
Blindside - A Thought Crushed My Mind (Christian)
mewithoutYou - A->B Life (Christian)
The Chariot - The Fiancee (Christian, debatable, but this album has more in common with punk rock than hardcore, so I think it fits).


...I'll do some more later.

To that I would add:

Dead Kennedys - Bedtime For Democracy
Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
(Warning: This is Punk, expect swear words spoken in angry defiance)

GhostontheNet wrote:To that I would add:

Dead Kennedys - Bedtime For Democracy
Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
(Warning: This is Punk, expect swear words spoken in angry defiance)

Good, good additions.

Kkun wrote:Good, good additions.

Yeah, if you were to say otherwise I might have to send you on a "Holiday in Cambodia".

GhostontheNet wrote:To that I would add:

Dead Kennedys - Bedtime For Democracy
Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
(Warning: This is Punk, expect swear words spoken in angry defiance)

I don't think you can really include Dead Kennedys with this genre... J was implying a hardcore/punk mix, not the old 80's hardcore. If you wanna get into 80's hardcore, I suggest in addition to the Dead Kennedys' albums you suggested, I'd add:
Bad Religion - Suffer
Bad Religion - No Control
Bad Religion - Against the Grain
Which are widely considered to be the best three albums by the band, and in addition, the albums responsible for reviving the California punk scene.

Ok, so lets sort this out, we've got both Hardcore Punk and a Hardcore/Punk Fusion, so that when KKun said Hardcore Punk he did not in fact mean Hardcore Punk but rather Hardcore/Punk Fusion?

GhostontheNet wrote:Ok, so lets sort this out, we've got both Hardcore Punk and a Hardcore/Punk Fusion, so that when KKun said Hardcore Punk he did not in fact mean Hardcore Punk but rather Hardcore/Punk Fusion?

Judging by the fact that he's mentioning Refused and Showbread and the like, I'd say so. The phrase 'hardcore' used to SPECIFICALLY refer to the punk bands of the 80's and 90's, like Bad Religion and Dead Kennedys, and many other bands, but since has been tagged as its own genre. So 80's hardcore is what I've typically heard people refer to such music as, while stuff like Refused is really more of a posthardcore/punk mix.

So yeah, all this really is is a confusion of the over-specific genres we apply to music nowadays ;p

And while I'm here, the BR stuff I suggested isn't really the cleanest stuff ever, so be wary of language if you check it out.

[quote="everdred12a"]Judging by the fact that he's mentioning Refused and Showbread and the like, I'd say so. The phrase 'hardcore' used to SPECIFICALLY refer to the punk bands of the 80's and 90's, like Bad Religion and Dead Kennedys, and many other bands, but since has been tagged as its own genre. So 80's hardcore is what I've typically heard people refer to such music as, while stuff like Refused is really more of a posthardcore/punk mix.

So yeah, all this really is is a confusion of the over-specific genres we apply to music nowadays ]

And so, to further add to our confusion as we've gotten into classifications such as Post-Hardcore/Punk Mix, I'm pleased to introduce:

Post-Punk:

Joy Division - Closer
Joy Division - Permanent
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds - The Best of Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
The Cure - The Cure
Alien Sex Fiend - The Singles 1983-1995
The Violet Burning - The Violet Burning (Christian)

Note: Because Post-Punk largely developed into Gothic Rock, the lines between both genres is often vague and many bands are both simultaneously.

See, I consider hardcore punk as encompassing a huge amount of genres. I would consider Dead Kennedys in that list, and even Bad Religion to an extent. I'm talking about punk that is not pop-punk, basically. I use the term hardcore punk not to describe the sound, but more the DIY ethic of a lot of punk bands.

To add to "post-punk" I would include...
Interpol - Antics
mewithoutYou - Catch For Us the Foxes (they changed styles dramatically between A->B Life and Catch)
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Abattoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus

Okay then...

Electronica/Rock/Rap Fusion:

Gorillaz-Gorillaz
Depeche Mode-Violator
Bloc Party-Silent Alarm
Lady Sovereign-Public Warning!


Emo Punk:

My Chemical Romance-Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge
Panic at the Disco-A Fever You Can't Sweat Out
Fall Out Boy-From Under The Cork Tree

ilikegir33 wrote:Okay then...

Emo Punk:

My Chemical Romance-Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge
Panic at the Disco-A Fever You Can't Sweat Out
Fall Out Boy-From Under The Cork Tree

You also need Saves the Day - Stay What You Are on this list.

ilikegir33 wrote:Okay then...

Electronica/Rock/Rap Fusion:

Gorillaz-Gorillaz
Depeche Mode-Violator
Bloc Party-Silent Alarm
Lady Sovereign-Public Warning!

Depeche Mode started to incorporate Rap music? I always figured they were a synthpop act with a Rock and Roll edge. Although I had rightly classified them as Industrial, the Industrial Hip-Hop act Stromkern rightly also fits under this banner, so I'll add:

Stromkern - Light it Up

They did have a little bit of rap in one of their songs.

Experimental Electronica.

Joy Electric - Hello Manneqiun.
Apt Core - Rhythms Of Remembrance.
Virus - Odd.

Pop Punk.

MxPx - Slowly Going The Way Of The Buffalo.
MxPx - Let It Happen.
Cartel - Chroma.
Slick Shoes - Wake Up Screaming.
Undecided - More To See.

How funny, I wasn't expecting this thread to turn into introductions to styles of Punk and offshoots of Punk. Anybody up for slam dancing while shouting Oi! Oi!?

GhostontheNet wrote:How funny, I wasn't expecting this thread to turn into introductions to styles of Punk and offshoots of Punk. Anybody up for slam dancing while shouting Oi! Oi!?

That's because punk and its off shoots are the best. Henry Rollins agrees.



See?

No, but seriously, when I get some more time, I'll post some different genres. This is a really good idea for a thread. I like it a lot.

Kkun wrote:That's because punk and its off shoots are the best. Henry Rollins agrees.

.......

See?

No, but seriously, when I get some more time, I'll post some different genres. This is a really good idea for a thread. I like it a lot.

Hey, I can't complain, all of my genres posted so far are Punk offshoots too. But now you've made me wonder how well Henry Rollins can slam dance.....

GhostontheNet wrote:Hey, I can't complain, all of my genres posted so far are Punk offshoots too. But now you've made me wonder how well Henry Rollins can slam dance.....

Ghost, I bet he slam dances REALLY well. Have you seen him? The man is ripped. Of course, most of it is in his neck.

Basic Electronica:

Lusine ICL - Serial Hodgepodge
Gas - Zauberberg

Classical composers:

Erik Satie
Claude Debussy
John Cage

Alexander wrote:Basic Electronica:

Lusine ICL - Serial Hodgepodge
Gas - Zauberberg

Woah, that's an incredibly generic classification in need of a bit of elaboration. What exactly counts as Basic Electronica? Pioneer synthesizer musicians like Wendy Carlos and Kraftwerk? Electronic music? Good dance floor techno?

death metal:

Pavor - Furioso
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness, Blessed Are the Sick, Covenant
The Amenta - Occasus
Axamenta - Ever-Arch-I-Tech-Ture
Suffocation - Pierced From Within
Symbyosis - Crisis
Death - Individual Thought Patterns
Augury - Concealed
Pantokrator - Aurum
Anata - The Conductor's Departure
Disavowed - Stagnated Existence
Bloodbath - Nightmares Made Flesh
Dismember - The God That Never Was
Demiurg - Breath of the Demiurg
Gorod - Leading Vision
Psycroptic - Symbols of Failure
Illogicist - The Insight Eye
Immolation - Unholy Cult
Martyr - Feeding the Abscess
Kronos - The Hellenic Terror
Lykathea Aflame - Elvenefris
Neglected Fields - Mephisto Lettonica, Splenetic
Nile - In Their Darkened Shrines, Ithyphallic
Vehemence - Helping the World to See, The Thoughts From Which They Hide
Wormed - Planisphaerium
Drottnar - Welterwerk
Behemoth - The Apostasy
Benighted - Insane Cephalic Production


black metal:

Deathspell Omega - Fas - Ite, Maledicti, in Ignem Aeternum; Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice; Kénôse
Abigor - Fractal Possession, Opus IV
Amesoeurs - Ruines Humanes
Alcest - Souvenirs d'un autre monde
Mortifera - Vastiia Tenebrd Mortifera
Peste Noir - La Sanie des siècles - Panégyrique de la dégénérescence
Will of the Ancients - Will of the Ancients
Arcturus - Aspera Hiems Symfonia, La Masquerade Infernale
Belenos - Spicilège
Burzum - Hvis Lyset Tar Oss
Crimson Moonlight - The Covenant Progress, In Depths of Dreams Unconscious
Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger
Sanctifica - Spirit of Purity
Satyricon - Dark Medieval Times
Enslaved - Frost, Vikingligr Veldi
Lengsel - Solace
Pantheon I - Atrocity Divine, The Wanderer and His Shadow
Solefald - Red for Fire: An Icelandic Odessey: Part I, Black for Death: An Icelandic Odessy: Part II
The Legion - Revocation
Ulver - Bergtatt - Et Eeventyr i 5 Capitler, Nattens Madrigal - Aatte Hymne til Ulven i Manden
Ved Buens Ende - Written in Waters
Wolves in the Throne Room - Diadem of 12 Stars
The Firstborn - Unclenched Fists
Shining - V - Halmstad, II - Livets Ändhållplats
Ruins - Spun Forth As Dark Nets


melodeath:

Detonation - Emission Phase
Dark Tranquillity - Damage Done
Insomnium - The Day It All Came Down, Above the Weeping World
Kalmah - The Black Waltz
Mors Principium Est - Inhumanity
Non-Human Level - Non-Human Level


doom metal:

Ahab - The Call of the Wretched Sea
Evoken - Antithesis of Light, Quietus
Comatose Vigil - Not a Gleam of Hope
Daylight Dies - Dismantling Devotion
Novembers Doom - The Novella Reservoir, The Pale Haunt Departure
Swallow the Sun - Hope
Novembre - Materia
Esoteric (UK) - Subconscious Dissolution into the Continuum
Ataraxie - Slow Transcending Agony
Dominion Caligula - A New Era Rises
My Dying Bride - Turn Loose the Swans, The Angels and the Dark River
Isole - Forevermore
Katatonia - Dance of December Souls
Amorphis - The Karelian Isthmus, Tales From the Thousand Lakes
Doomsword - Let Battle Commence
Monolithe - Monolithe I, Monolithe II
Mythological Cold Towers - The Vanished Pantheon
Paramaecium - Exhumed of the Earth
Scythe - Decay
My Silent Wake - Shadow of Sorrow, The Anatomy of Melancholy


avant-garde metal:

Aberrant Vascular - Actaeon, Thyestes
Unexpect - Utopia, In a Flesh Aquarium
Maudlin of the Well - Leaving Your Body Map, Bath, My Fruit Psychobells...A Seed Combustible


progressive metal:

Pain of Salvation - Entropia, One Hour by the Concrete Lake, The Perfect Element I, Remedy Lane
Zero Hour - The Towers of Avarice, Specs of Pictures Burnt Beyond
Altera Enigma - Alteration
Andromeda - Extension of the Wish, Chimera
Vanden Plas - Christ.0
Orphaned Land - Mabool


heavy metal:

Rob Rock - Holy Hell
Nevermore - Dreaming Neon Black, This Godless Endeavor
Communic - Conspiracy In Mind, Waves of Visual Decay
Cloudscape - Crimson Skies



I'll cover some more genres later. (and not just metal)

Wow Eric, I was looking forward to your involvement in this thread, but don't you think "Here's 25 albums to get you started" is a little excessive?

GhostontheNet wrote:Wow Eric, I was looking forward to your involvement in this thread, but don't you think "Here's 25 albums to get you started" is a little excessive?

Lol, no offense intended, but that reminds me of the "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" skits where they play as people advertising compilation albums.

everdred12a wrote:Lol, no offense intended, but that reminds me of the "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" skits where they play as people advertising compilation albums.

This whole thread is like a Whose Line is It Anyway skit.

I'm amazed at how much diversity there is in this thread.

GhostontheNet wrote:Wow Eric, I was looking forward to your involvement in this thread, but don't you think "Here's 25 albums to get you started" is a little excessive?

It's not excessive because in all reality, what I listed is very little compared to not only what I listen to as a whole, but also as compared to everything else that's out there]immensely[/i] grateful for it because it would have saved me an immeasurable amount of time and effort in looking through massive amounts of bands to find the best of the best.


Now, the only question is...will anyone actually take heed to my recommendations? The thing about whenever I make lists of music like this is that the vast majority of the time, the overall reaction of people (even the ones that like the particular styles of music that I'm mentioning) is "Wow, that's a lot of bands/cds/etc.!" and then they do absolutely nothing to see just how great they are for themselves. It happens on every forum I have frequented over the past several years. I often wonder if I am only wasting my time doing this...but sometimes I get bored and really have nothing better to do, so I just do it anyways and hope for the best.

Eric wrote:Now, the only question is...will anyone actually take heed to my recommendations? The thing about whenever I make lists of music like this is that the vast majority of the time, the overall reaction of people (even the ones that like the particular styles of music that I'm mentioning) is "Wow, that's a lot of bands/cds/etc.!" and then they do absolutely nothing to see just how great they are for themselves. It happens on every forum I have frequented over the past several years. I often wonder if I am only wasting my time doing this...but sometimes I get bored and really have nothing better to do, so I just do it anyways and hope for the best.

I don't think anyone was saying that there's not some diversity within genres. Given, I don't know much about metal because I don't listen to much, but the idea of this thread was to give people an idea of where to start with a genre, not to list the essentials of the genre.

Once again, I'm not discounting your credibility when it comes to metal, but the lists you gave were often a little overwhelming. Post maybe four or five albums to a specific genre, and go with the less 'hardcore' of what's out there (I use the term not referring to the genre, but as an adjective to describe how intense the music is). If you want to get other people into metal, try easing them into it instead of blowing them away with a list a mile long. You're headed in the right direction, but try to be a bit easier on everyone. We're not trying to attack you, so don't react as if we are o.o

Well, with Eric haven gotten Death Metal and Black Metal out of the way in a rapid-fire list true to the 'Attack of the Killer Typewriters" style of the genres, I'll go and ahead and introduce Gothic Metal. Gothic Metal is a fusion genre that combines the dirgelike dark romanticism of Gothic Rock with the bombastic power of Metal (especially Progressive and Power Metal), which proved ripe to add either an extra layer of Orchestral and Baroque elements to a degree Old-School Goth couldn't manage or some mechanistic Industrial influenced synthesizers. At any rate, some of my own picks in this style are:

Gothic Metal

Lacrimosa - Inferno
Bella Morte - Bleed the Grey Sky Black
The Awakening - Razor Burn (Christian)
Visionaire - Within the Arcanum Hall (Christian)
Saviour Machine - Saviour Machine I (Christian)
Saviour Machine - Saviour Machine II (Christian)
(What can I say, these Christians have really outdone themselves in this style)

[quote="RedMage"]I'm amazed at how much diversity there is in this thread. ]

Ah, you're just angry because all the people who helped you find Folk Rock music were all the people you mocked in the same thread. If you were actually in the least bit familiar with the music that has been listed, you would realize just how wildly diverse it is. As I see it, the Electric Guitar and the Synthesizer are God's gift to modern man to help him cope with the new challenges presented by modern times, and likewise I am quite the enthusiast for the creative possibilities presented by both instruments.