Guys...

[Mr. SmartyPants]

Just out of curiosity, how old are you, Squeak?

[Roy Mustang]

You kids these days and your kissing and loving.

I didn't have my first kiss until last year with my girlfriend, which we plan to get married in a few years.


[font="Book Antiqua"][color="Red"]Col. Roy Mustang[/color][/font]

[Nate]

I think it would be a lot more... "so" if you were to share your first kiss with the one that you truly love and would marry.

I did that! I had my first kiss with a woman I loved and would marry. But then she dumped me. D'oh!

Then again I'm clingy and super affectionate and touchy-feely so now I'd probably be a lot more likely to kiss a girl I wasn't really serious about, because I like affection (not against her will though...that's just uncool).

Just out of curiosity, how old are you, Squeak?

Why does it matter how old she is?

Ryan if you start one of those "Kids shouldn't be kissing or dating!" rants I will Rider Punch you IN THE SOUL.

[Sparx00]

How was that fickle?! D: That was beautiful! YOU RAWK FOR TAKING IT SERIOUSLY!
I want to do the same too, because I want to be able to trust who I'm kissing.

Honestly, it's nice to hear someone who has the same goal as me Love is definitely serious business. Too bad nobody thinks so anymore =_=

I don't see how you say that's Fickle. That's like the opposite.

Well, I guess a better word would be different then?

I did that! I had my first kiss with a woman I loved and would marry. But then she dumped me. D'oh!

Then again I'm clingy and super affectionate and touchy-feely so I'd probably be a lot more likely to kiss a girl I wasn't really serious about, because I like affection (not against her will though...that's just uncool).

... Huh?

[Nate]

..."now."

I should have put the word "now" in my post. In fact I'll edit it after this so that it makes more sense. Yeah I can see how my omission of that word makes it confusing. XD

[Mr. Hat'n'Clogs]

MR. HAT AND CLOGS:

Is that an infinity of cardinality aleph nod or an uncountable infinity. Either way, just adding three to the set would still be an infinity of aleph nod, so in the end, an uncountable infinity would be the only set that made a difference... perhaps you were thinking of the power set of an uncountable set's cardinality.
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Ummm, definitely the one that I understand. Which is neither. Which I'm not sure if that is embarassing or not because I pride myself on math. Let's just set infinity as something that makes the number higher than any number without infinity, so thus, infinity plus one is greater than 1,000,000. But infinity plus one point one is greater than infinity plus one. You know, how the simple minded people can understand it.

Short, playful kisses, like a smack or smooch you'd give a pet, are tons of fun. But yeah, making out is kind of eh.

Ehh, I'd had have to disagree on the latter. Have you ever made out? I know from the one time I did it was amazingly fun, even if it was the stupidest decision I've ever made.

[Makachop^^128]

Well, I guess a better word would be different then?

Yea thats better, but its a good different, don't change ^^

[ChristianKitsune]

Ehh... when I "Made out" It was one of the most horrible experience I'd ever had.. XD.... I kept thinking "I want to stop... I don't like this...its too quick, too uncomfortable..." We had only be dating like a day... But I only continued because I didn't want to hurt the guy's feelings... ._. I continued for a few months, hoping I would get over being uncomfortable...nope. Every time I just wanted it to be over and the guy to go home...and leave me alone. So I broke up with him eventually...

@_@ I don't like it... hence why I'm not really looking for anyone at the moment... ^^;

maybe I'm just destined to be a "sponge?" If anyone gets that meaning? XD

[Squeakmaster]

Someone probably knew this was coming... [color="Red"]KISS KISS FALL IN LOVE ♥]

YES. XD You just won the thread.

And we both agree that making out is pretty gross, too...all sorts of people in the band ask if we have and we're like "Eww..."

Oh, and fifteen. Don't go saying anything that's gonna make Nate hurt you.

[Icarus]

Is that an infinity of cardinality aleph nod or an uncountable infinity. Either way, just adding three to the set would still be an infinity of aleph nod, so in the end, an uncountable infinity would be the only set that made a difference... perhaps you were thinking of the power set of an uncountable set's cardinality.

Point, it's Aleph naught.

WRT the OP, love can be that way. Congrats and good luck.

[Riggidig]

Wow. I'm rather suprised at some of the responses on here. It reminds me of a local church in my area where the members aren't allowed to date one another.

Don't get me wrong. I can see where people are coming from by not advising kissing and whatnot at a young age, but I get uncomfortable when people basically react so strongly.

[WhiteMage212]

I only believe in saving the first kiss for the one I want marry because it would make me feel like I was in a romantic anime which was concluding at the final episode with the first kiss. Plus that is just super romantic to think about. That the girl I marry will know that I never shared that kiss with anyone else but her.

Clarient+trumpet
ummm, that to me does not match. Quiet ( somewhat) woodwind with loud trumpet. That is like yin and yang. But I'm sure you two will be just fine.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

=) Happy to see that you're happy!

[Sparx00]

I only believe in saving the first kiss for the one I want to marry because it would make me feel like I was in a romantic anime which was concluding at the final episode with the first kiss. Plus that is just super romantic to think about. That the girl I marry will know that I never shared that kiss with anyone else but her.

I like this. This is kinda how it is for me.

[ShiroiHikari]

Making out is awesome when both people really care about each other and are comfortable with each other. If you're not comfortable with the other person then it's pretty bad. XD; I've been there.


















I feel slightly odd saying that in a thread where half the posters are ten years my junior, ahahahaha.

[minakichan]

Ehh, I'd had have to disagree on the latter. Have you ever made out? I know from the one time I did it was amazingly fun, even if it was the stupidest decision I've ever made.

Hmm, maybe we were just really bad kissers. I dunno, I like the short ones because with long ones, I just sit there and I'm kind of like "ooooookay, what now?"

I only believe in saving the first kiss for the one I want marry because it would make me feel like I was in a romantic anime which was concluding at the final episode with the first kiss. Plus that is just super romantic to think about. That the girl I marry will know that I never shared that kiss with anyone else but her.

KYAAAAAAAAAAAAA~~~~~~~!!! SO ROMANTIC~~~~~~~~!!!!!!

[Etoh*the*Greato]

The "for the person I want to marry" argument always struck me as a little bit odd unless the person happens to have a time machine. It takes a lot of work to get to the point of marriage. A lot of work on the part of both people, and really you should only be considering marriage after you've worked at the relationship with them for a long time. That's an awful long time not to show a simple sign of affection like a kiss. Happily ever afters are hard to come by unless you're putting alot of work in to them, and when you're young the circumstances of a relationship can change drastically. One month you maybe absolutely certain this is it and the next month your lives could be headed in completely different directions. Perhaps you're going to different colleges, say? Long distance relationships are not impossible, but they're hard. I know a lot of people here (myself included) can attest to that.

[Nate]

I can't imagine dating a girl for like two years (because that's a good length of time to be with someone before you decide to marry them) and not even kissing them. It would make me feel ugly, horrible, disgusting...what's wrong with me that this girl won't even kiss me? Does she hate me but she's using me? Why won't she show affection to me? Am I really that unattractive to her?

But that's just me and my low self-esteem. Maybe someone who actually likes themselves could be with someone for that long and never kiss them and be okay with it. I just can't imagine it. @.@

[Sparx00]

You don't have to kiss somebody to show them affection. My brother and his wife had their first kiss on their wedding day. They believed that they didn't have to kiss to tell each other that they really loved each other. They wanted a pure marriage and decided that they wouldn't kiss until their wedding day. And they stayed true to their word. (And in case anybody is wondering, yes, they are still married.)

[Nate]

You don't have to talk to somebody to show them affection either, but it would seem kind of silly to date someone and never speak to them, now wouldn't it?

Besides, why wouldn't you kiss someone if you loved them? What if I was visiting my grandmother, and I always kiss her, and then one day I just said "I don't need to kiss you to show you that I love you." That'd be kinda hurtful don't you think? She might wonder if something was wrong. If she made me upset.

You can say "Oh that's a relative it doesn't count" but it shows how powerful displays of affection are, and as I said, as someone who has rock-bottom self-esteem, if a girl wouldn't kiss me, I wouldn't be able to stand it, because I'd feel like she didn't care about me at all.

Also, I take huge, huge, HUGE offense to the statement that if you kiss before your wedding day it's not a "pure" marriage (whatever that even MEANS).

[Sparx00]

You don't have to talk to somebody to show them affection either, but it would seem kind of silly to date someone and never speak to them, now wouldn't it?

Kissing is not the same as talking. Don't be ridiculous Nate.

Besides, why wouldn't you kiss someone if you loved them? What if I was visiting my grandmother, and I always kiss her, and then one day I just said "I don't need to kiss you to show you that I love you." That'd be kinda hurtful don't you think? She might wonder if something was wrong. If she made me upset.

You can say "Oh that's a relative it doesn't count" but it shows how powerful displays of affection are, and as I said, as someone who has rock-bottom self-esteem, if a girl wouldn't kiss me, I wouldn't be able to stand it, because I'd feel like she didn't care about me at all.

Family members are not the same as people outside of your family. You can't just walk to some random girl and kiss them on the lips just to say "I think you're pretty." The same applies to all your good friends who are guys. You don't kiss them to tell them that they're your best friend and you got their back do you? (Because if you do, that's really creepy.)

In terms of dating, you can kiss if you want to, but I myself don't want to take a chance in kissing somebody else that might not be my future wife. (That's MY opinion alone.)

Also, I take huge, huge, HUGE offense to the statement that if you kiss before your wedding day it's not a "pure" marriage (whatever that even MEANS).

Okay, let me rephrase that then. They wanted to have a pure relationship until they got married. Is that better? I'm sorry that I offended you Nate.

[Nate]

The same applies to all your good friends who are guys. You don't kiss them to tell them that they're your best friend and you got their back do you? (Because if you do, that's really creepy.)

They kiss in European countries, even guys. As a sign of friendship. No, they don't make out, but they do kiss. Oh wait, Biblical quotes? In MY discussion? Sure, why not!

Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. - Luke 7:44-45

Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ send greetings. - Romans 16:16

All the brothers here send you greetings. Greet one another with a holy kiss. - 1 Corinthians 16:20

Greet one another with a holy kiss. - 2 Corinthians 13:12

Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss. - 1 Thessalonians 5:26

Greet one another with a kiss of love. Peace to all of you who are in Christ. - 1 Peter 5:14

Also, let's not forget about Judas betraying Jesus with a kiss, hmm?

Now as I said before. These weren't total making-out kisses or anything like that. But they weren't "family member" kisses either, at least not earthly families. My point is your statement "family members aren't the same, you wouldn't kiss dudes" is taken down by the fact that in European countries kissing is a sign of friendship, and kisses are a form of greeting according to the Bible.

Obviously don't walk up to women in the church and kiss them as a greeting, that'd be silly and not appropriate. But that's just because of our culture, not because there's something inherently wrong with kissing.

In terms of dating, you can kiss if you want to, but I myself don't want to take a chance in kissing somebody else that might not be my future wife. (That's MY opinion alone.)

They wanted to have a pure relationship [by not kissing] until they got married.

Wow. "You can be impure if you want, but I'M going to be pure!" That's some nice judgment there you're passing. I really like how you impose your standards on others in regard to disputable matters in violation of Romans 14. That's a nice touch.

Did I ever once in this thread say "Anyone who doesn't kiss is dumb and stupid and they're prudes!" No. The closest I came is saying that I didn't understand being with someone for so long and not kissing them, based on my personal experience. I at no point insulted those who feel differently, and even stated that they may feel differently because maybe they don't utterly loathe and despise themselves as I do with myself.

Which is markedly different from "They were PURE because they didn't kiss and you can kiss if you want to but I'm going to be PURE." Last I checked there isn't some sort of "kiss virginity." Maybe a first kiss is important but get over yourself, someone who kisses a woman or dude they aren't going to marry isn't impure, the person they kissed isn't impure, and to say that they have an impure relationship is really rude and condescending.

[ShiroiHikari]

What I'd like to know is, since when are kisses impure? I don't get that, unless you're talking about all the bacteria that reside in the human mouth. Is hugging impure too?

Also please tell me that people out there aren't marrying the first person they kiss, because that would be incredibly unwise.

[Akemijo]

OK.

Best clarification here.

In my opinion, kissing AT ALL, is not a sin. Yes it's true, in the bible, and in Europe, its a natural thing to kiss people as you all have said.

Nobody said anything about lip-locking though. That's what I think is where I put up the stop sign, haha.

Of course, I don't think God has any problem with an unmarried couple sharing a "real kiss" though. I don't think he finds it unpure in anyway. But I have often heard that he realizes the sacrifice those have made to NOT kiss, and honors it. It's a sign of honesty and commitement .

But this doesn't mean it applies to all people.

So yes, if you never ever kiss (Including Cheek, hand, etc.) the person you love, for most people, that's VERY WEIRD.

If you never kiss the person you love in a real kiss, for some people, its understandable.


I think the issue is when it comes to making out. I don't think God hates that either, but I think he is very weary of it, cause it does lead to you-know-what.

So that's usually why people say NO KISSING. Just to make sure there is no temptation. Because there ARE boys and girls who don't think of making out as just "making out" like you might. It's a safety issue. And because we all care about each other, we don't want anyone in trouble...


So everyone can stop arguing -_-

[Sparx00]

OK.

Best clarification here.

In my opinion, kissing AT ALL, is not a sin. Yes it's true, in the bible, and in Europe, its a natural thing to kiss people as you all have said.

Nobody said anything about lip-locking though. That's what I think is where I put up the stop sign, haha.

Of course, I don't think God has any problem with an unmarried couple sharing a "real kiss" though. I don't think he finds it unpure in anyway. But I have often heard that he realizes the sacrifice those have made to NOT kiss, and honors it. It's a sign of honesty and commitement .

But this doesn't mean it applies to all people.

So yes, if you never ever kiss (Including Cheek, hand, etc.) the person you love, for most people, that's VERY WEIRD.

If you never kiss the person you love in a real kiss, for some people, its understandable.


I think the issue is when it comes to making out. I don't think God hates that either, but I think he is very weary of it, cause it does lead to you-know-what.

So that's usually why people say NO KISSING. Just to make sure there is no temptation. Because there ARE boys and girls who don't think of making out as just "making out" like you might. It's a safety issue. And because we all care about each other, we don't want anyone in trouble...


So everyone can stop arguing -_-

THANK YOU!!! This is what I've been trying to say!

I'm not saying that kissing itself is impure, I've been trying to say that it's how you go about doing it.

Akemijo, you're my hero.

[Tsukuyomi]

Sooooooooooooooo.. ~♥~ KISS KISS FALL IN LOVE ~♥~

I think what the others are saying is to enjoy the relationship and grow with one another, but also be very cautious ^__^ Things can happen pretty quickly just with one kiss, so it's best to watch yourselves and take things slow ^^

[minakichan]

If your SO has like a kissing fetish or something and thinks of it as super-sexual or hugely significant, then kissing would probably be a big deal. But if it's just like "OK, I'm leaving now, bye," with a kiss like a greeting, it's something else entirely.

I can understand not wanting to kiss someone that you aren't sure you're going to marry because you want to only show affection to your future spouse, but saying "I love you" is pretty intimate as well, maybe even more so. If you're okay with dating someone you don't "love," then sure....

A lot of this stuff is pretty subjective based on our cultural expectations of things, though.

[Psycho Molos]

[quote="Tsukuyomi (post: 1355646)"]Sooooooooooooooo.. ~♥]

awww that's sweet, funny, and so very Tsuki....

[Radical Dreamer]

OK.

Best clarification here.

In my opinion, kissing AT ALL, is not a sin. Yes it's true, in the bible, and in Europe, its a natural thing to kiss people as you all have said.

Nobody said anything about lip-locking though. That's what I think is where I put up the stop sign, haha.

Of course, I don't think God has any problem with an unmarried couple sharing a "real kiss" though. I don't think he finds it unpure in anyway. But I have often heard that he realizes the sacrifice those have made to NOT kiss, and honors it. It's a sign of honesty and commitement .

But this doesn't mean it applies to all people.

So yes, if you never ever kiss (Including Cheek, hand, etc.) the person you love, for most people, that's VERY WEIRD.

If you never kiss the person you love in a real kiss, for some people, its understandable.


I think the issue is when it comes to making out. I don't think God hates that either, but I think he is very weary of it, cause it does lead to you-know-what.

So that's usually why people say NO KISSING. Just to make sure there is no temptation. Because there ARE boys and girls who don't think of making out as just "making out" like you might. It's a safety issue. And because we all care about each other, we don't want anyone in trouble...


So everyone can stop arguing -_-

Thank you, Akemijo, for posting exactly what I would've said had I found this thread sooner!

Unfortunately, I didn't find it soon enough, and guys, this thread's gotten pretty intense. I advise that everybody calm down (just calm down) and take a step back and breathe a little. Thread locked.