Questions...(fairly mature content)

[Heart of Sword]

You feel the same way I do. I very much despise the company of small children. I'm supposedly excellent with them because I'm extremely protective and watchful. In fact, I'm so watchful that I've made them cry before because I won't stop following them around. But I couldn't imagine being stuck with one of the little beasties. I want to have a wolf sanctuary someday and wolves aren't good with very small kids (they don't understand how fragile babies are), so having one would really, really get in my way.

My mentor really hounds me about this. She can't have kids because of an STD and thinks I'm some horrible person because I don't want babies. o_o

So I'll probably end up marrying someone who can't have children due to whatever problem. I don't want to use pills. I don't know what I'd say to you though, since I'm assuming your boyfriend doesn't have health problems.

Celebacy = Hey! Sex was made for marriage, not the other way around. You wouldn't be weird if you remained a virgin all your life, even in marriage.

That's supposedly bad for marriage.

[starfire]

replace contraception with abortion. Do you still agree with what you just said?

edit: what Kae said in a much more politically correct and intelligent manner.

False argument with the car, completely missing my point. A child is not an "accident," it is the natural result of the marital act. With the car, you are required to drive safely, and not do things that cause an accident. Using this as an analogy, contraception is people insisting on airbags and armor and other things to prevent personal consequences from having an accident.

Right. A child is not an accident. If God plans for you to have the child, you will. Birth control or not. Do you really think that people can interefere in God's plan like that? By that merit, condoms are morally wrong, because the woman could get pregnant if they were not used. People who get married are taking a risk if they don't want kids. Which is why they should not just jump into it. That's the worse things you can do. Marriage isn't for everyone, and family life is a big part of it, but I feel I should point out not the whole part. If it was, it wouldn't be very different from the animals would it? From what I've heard, it's about two people becoming one to further glorify and serve the Lord. Still, I fail to see how the risk involved has anything to do with whether it's right or wrong.

I'm sorry, but I just tend to have some strong convictions on this issue. I know the full effects of people just "letting things happen naturally"all too well.

[Arnobius]

Some deny the bible refers to abortion and say the same things about it that is said here in this thread about contraception: That it is a personal conviction, and there is not enough evidence to make them change their mind.

Nobody attempts to address the actual issue: Is it wrong? Those who believe it is have attempted to explain it using scripture and the teaching of the churches from the begining of Christianity to the present.

Those who believe it is acceptable have not shown why it is so. They instead say "Sorry, not enough evidence." They appeal to pregnant teenagers and people with medical conditions, to say there should be an exception to this.

It grieves me to watch this because this approach is being used to justify everything: Contraception, abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage, etc.. I can understand the world justifying this, but when we see a growing number of Christians saying that the Bible justifies these things, it makes me ask:

Is anything of God's teaching respected anymore when it inconveniences us personally?

We are in danger of saying to God what Satan has always said: Not Your Will, but Mine be done.

<EDIT> and before the flames come out, I include myself in that question

[Steeltemplar]

edit: what Kae said in a much more politically correct and intelligent manner.


Right. A child is not an accident. If God plans for you to have the child, you will. Birth control or not. Do you really think that people can interefere in God's plan like that? By that merit, condoms are morally wrong, because the woman could get pregnant if they were not used. People who get married are taking a risk if they don't want kids. Which is why they should not just jump into it. That's the worse things you can do. Marriage isn't for everyone, and family life is a big part of it, but I feel I should point out not the whole part. If it was, it wouldn't be very different from the animals would it? From what I've heard, it's about two people becoming one to further glorify and serve the Lord. Still, I fail to see how the risk involved has anything to do with whether it's right or wrong.

I'm sorry, but I just tend to have some strong convictions on this issue. I know the full effects of people just "letting things happen naturally"all too well.

You still do not answer my two questions about your idea that people can be called to marriage without being called to be open to having children.

1) If this is so, then why did God make the act which unifies husband and wife to be the same act by which we reproduce?

2) If people are called to this, what were they supposed to do before effective contraception?


I also agree with AH. I don't think I can add to what he said.

<edit> After your response, I will probably not continue with this. I don't want it to get too far into theological debate rather than discussion (site rules, you know). But I really would like to know how your position deals with these two questions.

[Alice]

Momo-P:

Please don't worry. You are 16. God will show you the right thing for you to do when the time comes. Pray about it in the meantime, and trust Him to show you.

It's good to hear what everyone thinks, but in the end God will show you.

Don't worry about not wanting children now. I didn't want children at that age, or honestly until the last year or so. (I always said, "I'm never going to have children!") But now my heart has been changed so that I want to. I believe God is preparing me because He wants me to have children -- now I want them, too.

I believe that He can certainly help you with that if He wants you to have them. And if that never happens, He can help you to know the right thing to do about birth control or the lack thereof.



Please don't worry.

[shooraijin]

I think that's the right tone to end this thread upon.